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12:01:54 <kaz> meeting: WoT Scripting API
12:02:00 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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12:05:51 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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12:09:22 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:09:24 <dape> TOPIC: Previous minutes
12:09:26 <cris_> topic: previous minutes
12:09:28 <kaz> scribenick: cris_
12:09:40 <kaz> s/topic: previous minutes//
12:09:42 <dape> -> March 27 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/27-wot-script-minutes.html
12:09:49 <kaz> s/March/Feb/
12:10:09 <cris_> dape: we reviewed two PRs
12:10:15 <cris_> ... and issues
12:10:27 <cris_> ... we discussed about biblio refs and versioning
12:11:42 <cris_> ... the summary is that we are going to use git tags and publish more often
12:11:47 <cris_> ... minutes look good
12:11:53 <cris_> ... any objections
12:12:07 <cris_> ... ok approved
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12:12:21 <cris_> topic: Quick updates
12:12:39 <cris_> dape: remember the Daylight saving time change
12:12:43 <dape> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2023Feb/0015.html
12:12:44 <zkis> present+ Zoltan_Kis
12:13:45 <cris_> ... in the next two weeks we are going to accommodate our time slot to compensate with the different time changes in different countries
12:14:09 <cris_> ... please use the calendar invites
12:14:32 <cris_> ... does anyone have any problem with the new timing?
12:15:05 <cris_> cris: it's ok for me
12:15:12 <cris_> zoltan: good for me too
12:15:31 <kaz> q+
12:15:33 <cris_> dape: I'll ask Cristiano to chair the next two calls
12:15:54 <cris_> kaz: the time change in Europe is just for two week
12:15:58 <cris_> dape: correct
12:16:08 <kaz> s/two week/two weeks/
12:16:10 <kaz> ack k
12:16:39 <cris_> dape: I'd not cancel the calls because we need to finalize the note doc soon
12:16:54 <kaz> s/0015.html/0015.html Kaz's message on DST change (Member-only)/
12:17:10 <cris_> ... other comments?
12:17:24 <cris_> ... ok
12:17:37 <cris_> subtopic: Note pubblication
12:17:52 <cris_> dape: we have two weeks for the pubblication
12:17:56 <cris_> ... keep it in mind
12:18:12 <cris_> topic: Next charter
12:18:18 <dape> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-wg-2023-draft.html
12:18:22 <cris_> dape: please review the current draft
12:18:31 <cris_> ... scripting is mentioned as other deliverable
12:18:55 <cris_> ... we didn't talk about if the Scripting API should became a Rec document
12:19:03 <cris_> ... we should bring this up again
12:19:20 <cris_> ... Kaz do you want to bring this up in the main call?
12:19:31 <cris_> kaz: we can ping the chairs beforehand
12:19:48 <cris_> dape: it is better if you ping them
12:20:09 <cris_> ... since you also talked with Philip
12:20:13 <cris_> topic: PRs
12:20:54 <cris_> dape: let's pick first the easy one
12:21:05 <cris_> subtopic: PR 460
12:21:13 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/460
12:21:20 <cris_> dape: there was a missing dependency in TS definitions
12:21:24 <kaz> s/should became/should become/
12:21:31 <cris_> ... the PR simply updates the package.json
12:21:56 <cris_> ... any objections?
12:21:59 <kaz> s/draft.html/draft.html Draft WoT WG Charter/
12:22:01 <cris_> ... merged
12:22:08 <cris_> subtopic: PR 461
12:22:13 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/461
12:22:18 <kaz> s/Philip/Philippe/
12:22:26 <cris_> dape: it is a PR from my side
12:22:39 <cris_> ... it tackles optional values
12:22:56 <cris_> ... in webIDL we have some constraints
12:23:25 <kaz> s|pull/460|pull/460 PR 460 - add wot-thing-description-types as dependency for scripting api|
12:23:33 <cris_> ... the PR is very simple in changes the prose
12:23:42 <cris_> ... to handle undefiend values
12:23:52 <kaz> s|pull/461|pull/461 PR 461 - add undefined where missing in prose|
12:23:56 <cris_> ... but do we need this null initialization ?
12:24:57 <cris_> ... it seems that I cannot use undefined to replace null
12:25:03 <cris_> zoltan: are you sure?
12:25:17 <cris_> ... it seems the problem is not related to that change
12:25:31 <cris_> q?
12:25:35 <cris_> q+
12:27:29 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:27:30 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Zoltan_Kis
12:27:30 <zkis> ack cris
12:28:26 <cris_> zoltan: actually we can use the error and change the default to {}
12:28:29 <cris_> cris: I agree
12:29:51 <cris_> dape: shall I update the TS definitions too?
12:29:57 <cris_> zoltan: yes
12:30:00 <cris_> cris: +1
12:31:27 <cris_> subtopic: PR 462
12:32:00 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/462
12:32:46 <kaz> s|pull/462|pull/462 PR 462 - Update README.md with versioning information|
12:34:08 <dape> q+
12:34:34 <dape> q?
12:34:36 <cris_> cris: changed the Readme
12:34:42 <cris_> ... with guidelines for versioning
12:35:13 <cris_> dape: usually we use snapshot for expiremental features
12:35:14 <kaz> q+
12:35:32 <cris_> ... but for releases we just remove snapshots
12:35:35 <cris_> q+
12:35:46 <dape> ack dape
12:36:34 <kaz> ack k
12:36:44 <cris_> kaz: I was confused, we should clarify which information should be included in each file, together with what major.minor.patch means.
12:37:09 <kaz> s/I was/I'm a bit/
12:37:16 <kaz> s/confused,/confused./
12:38:13 <kaz> s/in each file, together with/in which file, in addition to the notation on/
12:38:38 <kaz> s/in addition to/along with/
12:39:40 <cris_> cris: release tag might be good for pintpoint explicity that we published the doc
12:40:17 <cris_> ... and I agree we should explain where to put the versioning info and explain major.minor.patch
12:41:05 <dape> q?
12:41:08 <dape> ack cris_
12:42:52 <cris_> cris: how should we decide which version gonna be
12:42:54 <cris_> ?
12:43:12 <cris_> s/?/... ?/
12:43:25 <cris_> dape: I think we can do at the publication time
12:43:30 <cris_> cris: +1
12:43:32 <cris_> 1+
12:43:35 <cris_> q+
12:44:55 <cris_> cris: isn't a little bit confusing to tag stuff with 0.8.1-snapshot and then suddenly change it to 0.9.0
12:45:07 <cris_> dape: yes but we can't help to do it otherwise
12:45:38 <cris_> cris: ok I'll capture this in the readme for the next week
12:45:45 <cris_> subtopic: 463
12:45:48 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/463
12:45:54 <cris_> s/463/Pr 463/
12:49:52 <zkis> We should use https://webidl.spec.whatwg.org/#record-type
12:50:09 <cris_> cris: I spot a mistake, I think we are using the wrong key for internal slots
12:50:13 <cris_> ... in algs
12:51:01 <kaz> s|pull/463|pull/463 PR 463 - Fix internal slot in event handlers|
12:51:19 <cris_> zoltan: we should use record instead of pairs
12:52:17 <cris_> s/pairs/Map/
12:53:46 <cris_> zoltan: we should use name too
12:54:26 <cris_> dape: do we need interaction variable?
12:54:29 <cris_> cris: probably not
12:54:37 <cris_> zoltan: yes I agree
12:55:35 <cris_> zoltan: on the other hand pair is fine
12:56:55 <cris_> ... actually more modern spec uses tuples
12:57:19 <zkis> Instead of pair, use tuple https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#tuple
12:59:31 <cris_> cris: section 9.25 what should happen if there is no event subscription handler?
12:59:48 <cris_> zoltan: should there be a error ?
13:00:37 <kaz> q+
13:00:50 <cris_> ack c
13:00:59 <kaz> ack k
13:01:04 <cris_> cris: maybe
13:01:14 <cris_> dape: ok closing the call
13:01:26 <cris_> ... keep in mind that there are some issues tagged with spec improvments
13:01:35 <cris_> ... that we need to tackle in the next weeks
13:01:46 <kaz> i/dape/kaz: we're out of time. so let's continue this discussion next week./
13:01:49 <cris_> [adjourned]
13:02:01 <kaz> i/kaz:/scribenick: kaz/
13:02:11 <kaz> i/dape:/scribenick: cris_/
13:02:16 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:02:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/06-wot-script-minutes.html kaz
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