IRC log of apa on 2023-03-01
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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- Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
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- Date: 01 Mar 2023
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- Chair: Janina
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- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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- agenda+ Coming Clock Changes https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2023a.html
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- agenda+ APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html
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- agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
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- agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
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- agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
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- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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- agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
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- agenda+ Proposed WoT Comments & Matter/Thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html
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- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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- agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ be done
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- zakim, who's here?
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- Present: matatk, PaulG, janina, Fredrik, Roy, present, mike_beganyi, niklasegger, Lionel_Wolberger, Fazio
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- On IRC I see PaulG, RRSAgent, Roy, Github, janina, MichaelC, jamesn, ada, cwilso, Rachael, tink, slightlyoff, jcraig, ZoeBijl, Zakim, agendabot, trackbot
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- present+
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- present+
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- regrets: Alisa_Smith, Fredrik_Fischer, Lionel_Wolberger
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- present+
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- present+
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- scribe: PaulG
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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- janina: there are 2 key announcements which have their own agenda items
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- ... any additional announcements?
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 1 was just opened, PaulG
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2 -- Coming Clock Changes https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2023a.html -- taken up [from janina]
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- janina: through March, 11-12 times change in America and calls will be an hour earlier until times change in Europe
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- present+
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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- regrets: Alisa_Smith, Fredrik_Fischer
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3 -- APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:04:33 [PaulG]
- janina: reminder to CfC for our charter draft is open until midnight tonight
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- zakim, take up item 9
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- agendum 9 -- Proposed WoT Comments & Matter/Thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:06:14 [PaulG]
- janina: there's a new spec affecting WoT to certify devices that would solve some of our issues
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- Gottfried: I'm not sure how much we can do about Matter. It's going to be the standard. Thread is the low-level standard for transmission.
- 15:07:43 [PaulG]
- ... WoT is sort of a competitor to Matter
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- janina: it's from a separate organization but it might be helpful to the problems we've identified we call "middleware"
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- ... aggregation technology should be helped by it
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- Gottfried: I haven't looked into Matter in depth, the issues remain the same but the technology has advanced and industry seems ready to collaborate
- 15:09:46 [janina]
- q?
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- ... I think the Matter standards is just a roof on the other standards
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- ... to allow better interop
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- ... do we plan to talk to Matter experts or WoT developers?
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- janina: I think we should take our concerns to WoT as the experts we've worked with before
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- ... we can ask them to clarify or to have a joint meeting on our concerns
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- Gottfried: I still see this as a competitor standard
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- ... I don't think there's space for two
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- q?
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- Gottfried: I support talking to WoT as they probably have a better idea of how they stand compared to Matter
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- q?
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- Gottfried: I'm thinking about how you find devices in public spaces which is mostly neglected by developers
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- ... which affects accessibility
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- janina: I'll take an action to send a note to them
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- niklasegger: I agree that Matter could be the "winner" here after doing some research. Security is a big reason for it.
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- Gottfried: it could get extended to work in public spaces
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- q?
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- Lionel_Wolberger: I would add that Meta has an unsolved problem to present the data of the environment around us
- 15:17:39 [PaulG]
- ... WoT will mean actual physical interaction in space not just "I see WiFi near me"
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 9 closed
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- I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from janina]
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- zakim, take up item 8
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- agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:19:32 [matatk]
- scribe+ matatk
- 15:19:37 [PaulG]
- https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7761
- 15:20:08 [matatk]
- PaulG: This is how outline style differs across browsers due to a fuzzy part of the spec. This can affect the focus ring.
- 15:21:22 [matatk]
- ... The group resolved to change the spec: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7761#issuecomment-1440512109
- 15:21:45 [janina]
- q?
- 15:21:47 [matatk]
- ... This doesn't conflict with anything in WCAG. They've done research to ensure it won't break accessibility. Should be more consistent across UAs as a result.
- 15:22:42 [matatk]
- ... There will be more debate on this as UAs implement it, but the change is due to happen.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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- agenda?
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- zakim, drop item 1
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- agendum 1, Agenda Review & Announcements, dropped
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:23:59 [matatk]
- zakim, drop item 3
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- agendum 3, APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html, dropped
- 15:24:00 [matatk]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:24:14 [Roy]
- subtopic: Media Working Group Rechartering
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- - charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-media-wg/
- 15:25:00 [matatk]
- Roy: The charter mentions accessibility and APA.
- 15:25:13 [matatk]
- matatk: I like this part "Each specification should contain a section on accessibility that describes..." :-)
- 15:26:23 [matatk]
- janina: We've had a long and good relationship with this group, going back to HTML5 developent.
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- Roy: They noted the FAST, too.
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- janina: I have no concerns; others?
- 15:26:41 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- +1 great that the FAST is explicitly listed
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:27:27 [Roy]
- subtopic: Digital Publishing WAI-ARIA Module 1.1 and Digital Publishing Accessibility API Mappings 1.1
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- - issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/55
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- - URL of spec:
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- - https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/WD-dpub-aria-1.1-20230222/
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- - https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/WD-dpub-aam-1.1-20230223/
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- Roy: They want to publish these as CR next month.
- 15:28:40 [matatk]
- janina: We are generally OK with these, as we know ARIA knows their stuff, unless anyone wants to dive into these?
- 15:28:58 [matatk]
- ... This is about mapping ARIA semantics into DPUB, and the AAM is about how those mappigns are instantiated across different platforms.
- 15:29:53 [matatk]
- matatk: I'm looking out of interest (relating to the Landmarks extension).
- 15:32:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- The landmark extension is available at https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/landmark-navigation-via-k/ddpokpbjopmeeiiolheejjpkonlkklgp
- 15:32:26 [Roy]
- subtopic: PNG 3rd edition
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- - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-png-3-20221025/
- 15:32:26 [Roy]
- - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics_(PNG)_Specification_(Third_Edition)
- 15:33:36 [matatk]
- matatk: Re Landmarks, you can get it for multiple browsers, too: https://matatk.agrip.org.uk/landmarks/ - On Firefox (and Opera) it has a sidebar.
- 15:34:53 [Roy]
- https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/42
- 15:35:39 [matatk]
- matatk: Wanted to confirm there was a way to do textual metadata (remember our SVG Native review); according to their FAST report, there is: https://github.com/w3c/PNG-spec/issues/228#issuecomment-1279341797
- 15:35:44 [matatk]
- janina: Sounds like we're good with this one.
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- Roy: Will close
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:36:10 [matatk]
- Roy: Nothing new this week, and nothing on TR this week.
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- agenda?
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
- 15:36:25 [matatk]
- zakim, drop item 7
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- agendum 7, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped
- 15:36:29 [matatk]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 10 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:40:39 [niklasegger]
- fredrik.fischer@myability.org
- 15:40:59 [matatk]
- matatk: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Feb/0035.html
- 15:42:15 [matatk]
- matatk: Fredrik's review of EditContext API - https://www.w3.org/TR/edit-context/
- 15:42:15 [matatk]
- matatk: Sounds overall very good from Fredrik's review, but it lacks an accessibility considerations section.
- 15:42:46 [matatk]
- ... We should ask for one if there's no obvious parent spec?
- 15:43:52 [matatk]
- janina: Fredrik's already written a proposed section; we could just ask them to include that.
- 15:43:55 [matatk]
- matatk: +1
- 15:45:00 [matatk]
- janina: I'm inclined to ask Fredrik to ask the editors of that document to include his proposed section, noting that we're finding it increasingly useful to have these appendices.
- 15:45:25 [matatk]
- janina: Any objections?
- 15:45:42 [matatk]
- Roy: I think we can file an issue in their GitHub repo. This is a FPWD FYI.
- 15:46:01 [matatk]
- janina: +1; thanks Roy
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 11 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
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- subtopic: Maturity Model
- 15:47:18 [matatk]
- janina: Several new members! They're working through issues. Not sure if there's yet a sense of when a new milestone WD will be published, maybe soon.
- 15:47:34 [matatk]
- subtopic: Pronunciation
- 15:48:04 [matatk]
- janina: Activity is ongoing to engage with ARIA regarding their latest proposal, and then with AT vendors regarding the group's proposed course of action.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 12 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
- 15:48:36 [matatk]
- Roy: Will we have a WG meeting during CSUN week?
- 15:50:22 [matatk]
- janina: TFs can decide for themselves. Is anyone aware of a reason for APA to _not_ meet?
- 15:50:35 [Roy]
- "Secure the Web Forward" Worskhop -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/370
- 15:50:48 [matatk]
- janina: We'll meet during CSUN week.
- 15:51:13 [matatk]
- Roy: Does anyone have any interest/thoughts on this workshop?
- 15:51:28 [matatk]
- https://w3c.github.io/secure-the-web-forward-workshop/
- 15:53:20 [matatk]
- matatk: Looks quite low-level.
- 15:53:28 [matatk]
- janina: Might it relate to CAPTCHA?
- 15:53:37 [matatk]
- matatk: Not sure yet; seems not; but we can follow it.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 13 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]
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- janina: Thanks all, and to our scribes.
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- 17:16:13 [janina]
- janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 8 March at 1500Z
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