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13:47:21 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:47:27 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:47:34 <janina> Date: 01 Mar 2023
13:47:38 <janina> Chair: Janina
13:49:29 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:49:29 <janina> agenda+ Coming Clock Changes https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2023a.html
13:49:29 <janina> agenda+ APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html
13:49:32 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:49:35 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:49:38 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:49:41 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:49:43 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:49:46 <janina> agenda+ Proposed WoT Comments & Matter/Thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html
13:49:49 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:49:51 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:49:54 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:50:02 <janina> agenda+ be done
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14:55:52 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:55:52 <Zakim> Present: matatk, PaulG, janina, Fredrik, Roy, present, mike_beganyi, niklasegger, Lionel_Wolberger, Fazio
14:55:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see PaulG, RRSAgent, Roy, Github, janina, MichaelC, jamesn, ada, cwilso, Rachael, tink, slightlyoff, jcraig, ZoeBijl, Zakim, agendabot, trackbot
14:56:06 <janina> present+
14:56:22 <PaulG> present+
14:57:47 <janina> regrets: Alisa_Smith, Fredrik_Fischer, Lionel_Wolberger
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14:58:59 <Roy> present+
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15:00:34 <PaulG> scribe: PaulG
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15:01:26 <PaulG> zakim, take up next item
15:01:26 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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15:01:59 <PaulG> janina: there are 2 key announcements which have their own agenda items
15:02:08 <PaulG> ... any additional announcements?
15:02:15 <PaulG> zakim, take up next item
15:02:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, PaulG
15:02:19 <PaulG> zakim, take up item 2
15:02:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Coming Clock Changes https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2023a.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:03:11 <PaulG> janina: through March, 11-12 times change in America and calls will be an hour earlier until times change in Europe
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15:03:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:03:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:03:49 <Gottfried> present+
15:03:55 <PaulG> zakim, take up next item
15:03:57 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:04:01 <janina> regrets: Alisa_Smith, Fredrik_Fischer
15:04:02 <PaulG> zakim, take up item 3
15:04:02 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:04:33 <PaulG> janina: reminder to CfC for our charter draft is open until midnight tonight
15:05:17 <PaulG> zakim, take up item 9
15:05:17 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Proposed WoT Comments & Matter/Thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:06:14 <PaulG> janina: there's a new spec affecting WoT to certify devices that would solve some of our issues
15:07:19 <PaulG> Gottfried: I'm not sure how much we can do about Matter. It's going to be the standard. Thread is the low-level standard for transmission.
15:07:43 <PaulG> ... WoT is sort of a competitor to Matter
15:08:12 <PaulG> janina: it's from a separate organization but it might be helpful to the problems we've identified we call "middleware"
15:08:57 <PaulG> ... aggregation technology should be helped by it
15:09:29 <PaulG> Gottfried: I haven't looked into Matter in depth, the issues remain the same but the technology has advanced and industry seems ready to collaborate
15:09:46 <janina> q?
15:09:50 <PaulG> ... I think the Matter standards is just a roof on the other standards
15:10:05 <PaulG> ... to allow better interop
15:10:19 <PaulG> ... do we plan to talk to Matter experts or WoT developers?
15:10:54 <PaulG> janina: I think we should take our concerns to WoT as the experts we've worked with before
15:11:20 <PaulG> ... we can ask them to clarify or to have a joint meeting on our concerns
15:11:32 <PaulG> Gottfried: I still see this as a competitor standard
15:11:45 <PaulG> ... I don't think there's space for two
15:12:04 <janina> q?
15:12:15 <PaulG> Gottfried: I support talking to WoT as they probably have a better idea of how they stand compared to Matter
15:13:22 <janina> q?
15:13:51 <PaulG> Gottfried: I'm thinking about how you find devices in public spaces which is mostly neglected by developers
15:14:01 <PaulG> ... which affects accessibility
15:14:19 <PaulG> janina: I'll take an action to send a note to them
15:15:38 <PaulG> niklasegger: I agree that Matter could be the "winner" here after doing some research. Security is a big reason for it.
15:16:04 <PaulG> Gottfried: it could get extended to work in public spaces
15:16:29 <janina> q?
15:17:06 <PaulG> Lionel_Wolberger: I would add that Meta has an unsolved problem to present the data of the environment around us
15:17:39 <PaulG> ... WoT will mean actual physical interaction in space not just "I see WiFi near me"
15:19:12 <PaulG> zakim, close this item
15:19:12 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
15:19:13 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:19:13 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from janina]
15:19:15 <PaulG> zakim, take up item 8
15:19:15 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:19:32 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
15:19:37 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7761
15:20:08 <matatk> PaulG: This is how outline style differs across browsers due to a fuzzy part of the spec. This can affect the focus ring.
15:21:22 <matatk> ... The group resolved to change the spec: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7761#issuecomment-1440512109
15:21:45 <janina> q?
15:21:47 <matatk> ... This doesn't conflict with anything in WCAG. They've done research to ensure it won't break accessibility. Should be more consistent across UAs as a result.
15:22:42 <matatk> ... There will be more debate on this as UAs implement it, but the change is due to happen.
15:22:48 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:23:23 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:23:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:23:40 <matatk> agenda?
15:23:46 <matatk> zakim, drop item 1
15:23:46 <Zakim> agendum 1, Agenda Review & Announcements, dropped
15:23:48 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:23:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html -- taken up [from janina]
15:23:59 <matatk> zakim, drop item 3
15:23:59 <Zakim> agendum 3, APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html, dropped
15:24:00 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:24:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
15:24:14 <Roy> subtopic: Media Working Group Rechartering
15:24:16 <Roy> - charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-media-wg/
15:25:00 <matatk> Roy: The charter mentions accessibility and APA.
15:25:13 <matatk> matatk: I like this part "Each specification should contain a section on accessibility that describes..." :-)
15:26:23 <matatk> janina: We've had a long and good relationship with this group, going back to HTML5 developent.
15:26:29 <matatk> Roy: They noted the FAST, too.
15:26:33 <matatk> janina: I have no concerns; others?
15:26:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 great that the FAST is explicitly listed
15:27:19 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:27:19 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:27:27 <Roy> subtopic: Digital Publishing WAI-ARIA Module 1.1 and Digital Publishing Accessibility API Mappings 1.1
15:27:28 <Roy> -   issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/55
15:27:28 <Roy> -   URL of spec:
15:27:28 <Roy>     -   https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/WD-dpub-aria-1.1-20230222/
15:27:28 <Roy>     -  https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/WD-dpub-aam-1.1-20230223/
15:27:34 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:27:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:28:09 <matatk> Roy: They want to publish these as CR next month.
15:28:40 <matatk> janina: We are generally OK with these, as we know ARIA knows their stuff, unless anyone wants to dive into these?
15:28:58 <matatk> ... This is about mapping ARIA semantics into DPUB, and the AAM is about how those mappigns are instantiated across different platforms.
15:29:53 <matatk> matatk: I'm looking out of interest (relating to the Landmarks extension).
15:32:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> The landmark extension is available at https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/landmark-navigation-via-k/ddpokpbjopmeeiiolheejjpkonlkklgp
15:32:26 <Roy> subtopic:  PNG 3rd edition
15:32:26 <Roy> - TR: https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-png-3-20221025/
15:32:26 <Roy> - tracking:   https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics_(PNG)_Specification_(Third_Edition)
15:33:36 <matatk> matatk: Re Landmarks, you can get it for multiple browsers, too: https://matatk.agrip.org.uk/landmarks/ - On Firefox (and Opera) it has a sidebar.
15:34:53 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/42
15:35:39 <matatk> matatk: Wanted to confirm there was a way to do textual metadata (remember our SVG Native review); according to their FAST report, there is: https://github.com/w3c/PNG-spec/issues/228#issuecomment-1279341797
15:35:44 <matatk> janina: Sounds like we're good with this one.
15:35:50 <matatk> Roy: Will close
15:35:53 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:35:55 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
15:36:10 <matatk> Roy: Nothing new this week, and nothing on TR this week.
15:36:13 <matatk> agenda?
15:36:22 <matatk> zakim, close this item
15:36:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:36:23 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:36:23 <Zakim> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
15:36:25 <matatk> zakim, drop item 7
15:36:25 <Zakim> agendum 7, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped
15:36:29 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:36:29 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
15:40:39 <niklasegger> fredrik.fischer@myability.org
15:40:59 <matatk> matatk: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Feb/0035.html
15:42:15 <matatk> matatk: Fredrik's review of EditContext API - https://www.w3.org/TR/edit-context/
15:42:15 <matatk> matatk: Sounds overall very good from Fredrik's review, but it lacks an accessibility considerations section.
15:42:46 <matatk> ... We should ask for one if there's no obvious parent spec?
15:43:52 <matatk> janina: Fredrik's already written a proposed section; we could just ask them to include that.
15:43:55 <matatk> matatk: +1
15:45:00 <matatk> janina: I'm inclined to ask Fredrik to ask the editors of that document to include his proposed section, noting that we're finding it increasingly useful to have these appendices.
15:45:25 <matatk> janina: Any objections?
15:45:42 <matatk> Roy: I think we can file an issue in their GitHub repo. This is a FPWD FYI.
15:46:01 <matatk> janina: +1; thanks Roy
15:46:16 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:46:16 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
15:46:43 <matatk> subtopic: Maturity Model
15:47:18 <matatk> janina: Several new members! They're working through issues. Not sure if there's yet a sense of when a new milestone WD will be published, maybe soon.
15:47:34 <matatk> subtopic: Pronunciation
15:48:04 <matatk> janina: Activity is ongoing to engage with ARIA regarding their latest proposal, and then with AT vendors regarding the group's proposed course of action.
15:48:09 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:48:09 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
15:48:36 <matatk> Roy: Will we have a WG meeting during CSUN week?
15:50:22 <matatk> janina: TFs can decide for themselves. Is anyone aware of a reason for APA to _not_ meet?
15:50:35 <Roy> "Secure the Web Forward" Worskhop -> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/370
15:50:48 <matatk> janina: We'll meet during CSUN week.
15:51:13 <matatk> Roy: Does anyone have any interest/thoughts on this workshop?
15:51:28 <matatk> https://w3c.github.io/secure-the-web-forward-workshop/
15:53:20 <matatk> matatk: Looks quite low-level.
15:53:28 <matatk> janina: Might it relate to CAPTCHA?
15:53:37 <matatk> matatk: Not sure yet; seems not; but we can follow it.
15:53:38 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:53:39 <Zakim> agendum 13 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]
15:53:44 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:53:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:53:58 <matatk> janina: Thanks all, and to our scribes.
15:54:00 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:54:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-apa-minutes.html matatk
17:16:13 <janina> janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 8 March at 1500Z
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