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18:45:53 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
18:45:59 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Jemma
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18:47:33 <Matt_King> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/February-21%2C-2023-Agenda
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19:01:05 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/February-21,-2023-Agenda
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19:04:44 <Jem> Topic:Setup and Review Agenda
19:04:49 <jugglinmike> Zakim, start the meeting
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19:04:51 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jugglinmike
19:04:54 <jugglinmike> present+
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19:05:14 <jugglinmike> Mike Pennisi (Bocoup)
19:06:14 <Jem> Topic:Status of Site Updates
19:06:52 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: two things - APG Support tables and fixing broken links
19:08:08 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: I've struggled with trying to tackle both of theses things concurrently.
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19:08:19 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: I'm going to fix the broken links and then I'll go back to the support tables and pick up that
19:09:53 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: (technical notes on progress fixing broken links)
19:10:10 <jongund> present+ jongund
19:12:12 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: As for redirects, I'd like to collect a formal list of "source" URLs and "destination" URLs, and hand that off to Dennis so that we can coordinate on including those in the next release of the application
19:12:44 <Jem> present+ siri
19:12:50 <Jem> present+ jamesn
19:12:52 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: I want to take this as an opportunity to make the URLs more consistent
19:12:57 <Jem> present+ jongund
19:13:06 <Jem> present+ mark
19:13:41 <jugglinmike> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2597
19:14:15 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: I just updated this and I think it is ready to be merged
19:15:38 <CurtBellew> present+
19:16:25 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: The upper-case file names are somewhat irregular, but if those particular pages are not going to cause problems during the build, then I suppose it's fine to leave it
19:16:46 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: I expect to take on support tables next week
19:16:56 <Jem> Topic:
19:17:13 <Jem> Topic:Pull Request Review
19:17:30 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2618
19:17:42 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2618
19:18:49 <jugglinmike> jongund: I'll update the language as Matt_King has requested
19:18:59 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Are there missing regression tests here?
19:19:18 <jugglinmike> jongund: We didn't have any tests for the condition where the previous or next date was not the current date. Should we add tests for that?
19:19:40 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Are there any "page up"/"page down" tests at all?
19:20:57 <jugglinmike> jongund: There are a ton of unimplemented tests for certain keystrokes [lists specific keyboard keys]
19:21:18 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We don't necessarily have to fix that gap with this pull request (though it is a great opportunity to do so)
19:24:03 <jugglinmike> jongund: I'm going to try to integrate some other test files in, along with their documentation
19:24:06 <jugglinmike> github-bot, end topic
19:24:32 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622
19:25:21 <jugglinmike> subtopic: Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified by jongund · Pull Request #2622 · w3c/aria-practices
19:25:23 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622 : Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified
19:25:28 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622
19:26:03 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: The fact that we have multiple list boxes on one page is a problem, but we don't have to address that here
19:27:28 <jugglinmike> Jem: I'm adding a reviewer list to the pull request description, now
19:28:14 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: these examples were never reviewed on a mobile device as far as I know
19:28:48 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I don't want to expand the scope of this pull request to include mobile bugs
19:31:07 <jugglinmike> github-bot: end subtopic
19:31:07 <github-bot> jugglinmike, Sorry, I don't understand that command.  Try 'help'.
19:31:18 <jugglinmike> github-bot: end topic
19:31:28 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2619
19:31:38 <jugglinmike> subtopic: Infrastructure: Update script that provides skipto menu on all pages to version 5.1 by jongund · Pull Request #2619 · w3c/aria-practices
19:31:39 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2619 : Infrastructure: Update script that provides skipto menu on all pages to version 5.1
19:31:49 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2619
19:32:18 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'll review copyright
19:35:09 <jugglinmike> jongund: I talked to someone at Paypal, and they told me that Paypal is ending support for a number of open source projects. The repository referenced in these comments has been abandoned.
19:37:01 <jugglinmike> Jem: I volunteer to perform a functional/visual review?
19:37:20 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Depending on where this ends up on Friday, it may be possible to include for Monday
19:38:16 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I don't think we need further legal advice on this one
19:38:19 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2624
19:38:26 <jugglinmike> github-bot: end topic
19:38:40 <jugglinmike> subtopic: Landmark examples: Updated SkipTo script and configuration by jongund · Pull Request #2624 · w3c/aria-practices
19:38:41 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2624 : Landmark examples: Updated SkipTo script and configuration
19:38:50 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2624
19:39:13 <jugglinmike> jongund: We've been using a very old version of skipto
19:40:21 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'd like to hold off on this one for about a week. After that week, we may have to rebase or merge in the "main" branch
19:40:40 <jugglinmike> github-bot: end topic
19:40:58 <Jem> Topic: ARIA TAB pattern and WCAG 1.4.10 Reflow
19:41:07 <jugglinmike> topic: ARIA TAB pattern and WCAG 1.4.10 Reflow
19:41:18 <jugglinmike> Topic: ARIA TAB pattern and WCAG 1.4.10 Reflow
19:41:30 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2284
19:42:02 <jugglinmike> CurtBellew: the short-term suggestion is to remove one or two of the tabs so that the content fits inside the frame and doesn't produce the scrollbars
19:42:20 <jugglinmike> CurtBellew: I found that scrollbars remained even after removing one of the tabs
19:42:32 <jugglinmike> CurtBellew: The solution might work, but we'll have to remove more than one tab
19:43:14 <jugglinmike> CurtBellew: As an alternative, we can produce verticle scrollbar, but one present only for the content which requires it (rather than for the entire document)
19:44:50 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm wondering if tabs are the right user-interface design for this situation
19:46:19 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We may need two examples. One for the "super-simple" case with a small number of tabs, and another that's more complicated and supports any number of tabs
19:46:52 <jugglinmike> jongund: We could use "overflow: hidden" with elipses so that as the text squeezes, you'll see just the beginning of each tab
19:49:16 <jugglinmike> JamesNurthen: I think a "simple" example like what Matt_King has proposed would help us write tests, but I don't think it's realistic for people to use that in the real world. Overflow occurs so commonly that an example which doesn't support it isn't very useful
19:51:10 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Maybe the "simple" example should demonstrate the use of icons as table labels, since that is a more realistic application of a tab list which doesn't necessarily overflow
19:52:57 <jugglinmike> Jem: Chris Lane has a demo for "Overflow Tabs" which incorporates a drop-down to include tabs which would otherwise cause overflow
19:53:28 <jugglinmike> Jem: http://www.chrislane.info/clarity3demo1/
19:54:38 <jugglinmike> JamesNurthen: I couldn't get this "menu button in a tab list" ready in time for APG version 1.3
19:57:31 <jugglinmike> Summary: We need proposals for icon tabs, and we need to open a separate issue for how we're going to handle overflow
19:57:42 <jugglinmike> github-bot: end topic
19:57:56 <jugglinmike> Topic: New About Section Content
19:58:58 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I've done a lot of work on the content of the introduction page, and I have questions about what I've done. I'd like people to read it so we can discuss next time
19:59:14 <jugglinmike> github-bot: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2558
19:59:14 <github-bot> jugglinmike, Sorry, I don't understand that command.  Try 'help'.
19:59:21 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2558
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