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15:19:03 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio_
15:19:26 <Fazio_> meeting: Maturity Model
15:25:57 <Fazio_> Chair: Fazio, SBH
15:26:03 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Task Force Updates (email archive broken link, Mission Statement Update, etc)
15:26:17 <Fazio_> zakim, clear agenda
15:26:17 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:26:23 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Task Force Updates (email archive broken link, Mission Statement Update, etc)
15:26:41 <Fazio_> Agenda+ New Member Introductions
15:26:59 <Fazio_> Agenda + Check in With Brian on Github Issue #42 https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/42
15:27:34 <Fazio_> Agenda + Check with Josh on Jake’s Github issues
15:27:50 <Fazio_> Agenda + Github Issue #91 Proof points should include measures of the extent to which processes are successful https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/91
15:28:20 <Fazio_> Agenda+ New Business
15:53:26 <Fazio_> present+
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15:58:16 <janina> brb
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16:04:48 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:04:48 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, Joshue, nadine, janina, Lionel, Fazio_, CharlesL, Mark_Miller, IrfanAli
16:04:49 <Sheri_B-H> present+
16:04:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheri_B-H, IrfanAli, Joshue108, CharlesL, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio_, Mark_Miller, Zakim, jspellman
16:05:05 <janina> +1
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16:05:55 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:05:55 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, Joshue, nadine, janina, Lionel, Fazio_, CharlesL, Mark_Miller, IrfanAli, Sheri_B-H, jlkline
16:05:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see jlkline, Sheri_B-H, IrfanAli, Joshue108, CharlesL, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio_, Mark_Miller, Zakim, jspellman
16:19:28 <CharlesL> scribe+
16:19:48 <CharlesL> zakim, take up item 2
16:19:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Member Introductions -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:20:06 <CharlesL> zakim, take up item 1
16:20:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Task Force Updates (email archive broken link, Mission Statement Update, etc) -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:20:45 <CharlesL> janina: we need to update our mission statement, should be cleared up
16:21:12 <CharlesL> …, will post link.
16:21:28 <CharlesL> …, flag any issues with Janina
16:21:52 <CharlesL> Fazio_: Everyone getting email messages?
16:22:39 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/
16:23:03 <CharlesL> janina: everything for this group is linked from this URL
16:23:11 <CharlesL> Zakim take up item 3
16:23:18 <CharlesL> zakim, take up item 3
16:23:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Check in With Brian on Github Issue #42 https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/42 -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:25:24 <CharlesL> Brian: we have a lot of different departments, 7-8 business unites within our department.  each unit will do the entire assessment.  Some sections will not be applicable.
16:25:39 <CharlesL> …, at Intel, OKR approach.
16:25:53 <CharlesL> …, proof points at Quarterly results to be able to track.
16:26:17 <Fazio_> q?
16:26:18 <CharlesL> …, not started with scoring yet, but business unit seems straight forward.
16:26:52 <Fazio_> q?
16:27:23 <CharlesL> …, can vary per business unit. our goal is to have a dashboard (HTML data report) to show visibility How to report a11y of company as a whole.  aggregate score for all business units.
16:27:58 <Fazio_> q?
16:28:12 <CharlesL> …, does it make sense And/Or of each score. do we look into a weighting, for a sense of priority for the company.
16:28:46 <CharlesL> …, a11y policy trumps an empathy lab. Are we maturing in the more important areas.
16:29:21 <jlkline> Queue+1
16:29:30 <Fazio_> q?
16:29:55 <CharlesL> …, would we need different templates, lesser amount of proof points say 3 proof points. Could add more once reach a certain threshold.
16:30:51 <CharlesL> …, company over 100K and falling we only have 4 a11y people will take a while to get this maturity rolled out.  Some units will require more help than others.
16:31:30 <CharlesL> Fazio_: we want accountability not really about scoring. There is no end game it constantly will evolve.
16:32:07 <Fazio_> ack jkline
16:32:30 <CharlesL> jlkline: This is great, perfect example, indicates that impossible for the team to create a process on how to use it because diversity of those using it could be overwhelming.
16:32:38 <janina> q+
16:34:00 <CharlesL> …, we should come up with a way to collection of organization best practices on how they approached this if they want to share, page on best practices based on size, public/private/non-profit.  with regards to scoring, its not about scoring, its a tool to help companies evolve.
16:34:21 <Mark_Miller> queue+
16:34:32 <CharlesL> …, A government body may require a report on a companies maturity in a11y.
16:34:38 <Fazio_> ack, janina
16:35:58 <CharlesL> …, you may want to include metrics on what is accessible and not.  maturity could be 1 dimension, policies, procurement
16:36:37 <CharlesL> Brian: Sorry I have to leave.
16:37:37 <Fazio_> "nested approach" I like that. Maybe we should identify possible approaches
16:38:11 <CharlesL> janina: Thanks Brian.  Organizations need to be flexible and make it work for their organization.  looks like a nested approach for each business group, still need to figure out how to collate and correlate the data.  we could have examples Large Tech has taken the nested approach.  Example 2 some other type of organization, etc.
16:38:34 <Fazio_> q?
16:38:54 <CharlesL> …, best practices Note track document, custom fit.  similar patterns we should find a way to capture this.
16:39:32 <CharlesL> ack 1
16:39:42 <Fazio_> ack, mark
16:39:59 <CharlesL> ack janina
16:40:03 <CharlesL> ack Mark_Miller
16:40:39 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: scoring mechanism how to aggregate that so the organization can figure out where they are in their journey.
16:41:44 <CharlesL> …, that measure / scoring from organization level wouldn't have to be a aggregate from each business unit.  custom fit, criteria how well the organization is doing overall not on a particular business unit is at.
16:42:04 <CharlesL> Fazio_:  totally up to the organization on how to use this.
16:42:19 <Fazio_> q?
16:42:40 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: WCAG 3.0 may incorporate in Bronze/Silver/Gold type scoring.
16:43:11 <CharlesL> Fazio_: Carrot vs. Stick, disability quality index, is all carrot and no stick.
16:43:29 <CharlesL> …, we are trying to find a happy medium.
16:44:05 <Fazio_> I love that "framework for telling your a11y story (or journey)"
16:44:09 <CharlesL> janina: its a framework there may be multiple ways to aggregate accrose larger organization.  "knowing whats left to do", way to capturing things.
16:44:38 <Fazio_> q?
16:45:20 <CharlesL> Fazio_: Issue # 17
16:45:54 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/17
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16:46:19 <Sheri_B-H_> q+
16:46:21 <Joshue108> Sorry, gotta drop!
16:46:22 <Joshue108> bye
16:46:37 <janina> q+
16:48:12 <CharlesL> Fazio_: Have we addressed this in our discussions today?
16:48:19 <jlkline> queue 1+
16:48:38 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: scoring is separate.
16:49:23 <jlkline> q+
16:50:04 <CharlesL> Fazio_: once we get the PR done, we can have Jason look at this.  its a step.  we can always add more.
16:50:25 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: may need to respond to this in pieces.
16:50:55 <jlkline> q-
16:51:02 <CharlesL> janina: we are intentionally not prescriptive and value flexibility.
16:51:29 <CharlesL> …, there might be reasons why a certain group is more a11y than others.
16:52:22 <CharlesL> …, we are keeping this open as we catch multiple examples. we may never have a complete example but will work on adding more examples.
16:52:24 <CharlesL> q?
16:52:28 <janina> ack jan
16:52:33 <janina> ack she
16:52:33 <jlkline> key word from janina is "capture" not "create"
16:53:36 <CharlesL> agenda?
16:53:37 <janina> agenda?
16:53:47 <CharlesL> zakim, take up item 6
16:53:47 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio_]
16:54:35 <CharlesL> Fazio_: we have multiple people who are not part of W3C, and may be reluctant to join W3C at present.
16:54:57 <CharlesL> …, We could have some guest speakers, and could join us from time to time.
16:55:59 <CharlesL> janina: APA chair can add invited guests
16:57:43 <CharlesL> …, I will raise this with new W3C management on how we can do this more efficiently and effectively. when folks are interested in a very specific area not over the entire W3C space.
16:57:43 <CharlesL> rrsagent, make logs public
16:58:14 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
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