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13:31:22 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:32:12 <jeanne> present:
13:32:12 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
13:32:12 <jeanne> present+
13:32:12 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
13:32:13 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:32:13 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
13:32:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
13:32:21 <jeanne> q?
13:32:21 <jeanne> Scribe List -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List#Scribe_List
13:32:40 <jeanne> zakim, clear queue
13:32:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clear queue', jeanne
13:33:03 <jeanne> queue:
13:33:09 <jeanne> q?
13:33:43 <jeanne> q- Rachae
13:34:03 <jeanne> s/zakim, clear queue//
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13:34:22 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
13:34:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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13:36:15 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
13:36:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
13:37:25 <jeanne> agenda+ Preview of Tuesday's AG WG call
13:37:25 <jeanne> agenda+ Map out writing placeholder content
13:37:59 <jeanne> ok, I give up.  I fail the syntax IQ test
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14:50:26 <Lauriat> Present+
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15:05:47 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:47 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Preview of Tuesday's AG WG call -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:05:58 <jeanne> Email of agenda -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2023Feb/0006.html
15:06:18 <maryjom> scribe: maryjom
15:06:40 <Chuck_> q+
15:06:41 <jeanne> our plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k_rCBUVPQj2myECC06rQtnC1Mks_UsI5P9Wmpc4nBCk/edit#
15:06:55 <maryjom> Rachael: This is a step-by-step on how we are going to move forward.
15:07:21 <maryjom> ... There will be some in-depth conversations about conformance at the AG WG meeting
15:07:29 <Chuck_> ack Ch
15:07:32 <maryjom> present+
15:07:52 <Rachael> present+
15:08:06 <maryjom> jeanne: Let's present the plan and get feedback.
15:08:12 <jeanne> Topic: Plan for next 6 months
15:08:40 <jeanne> RM: our plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k_rCBUVPQj2myECC06rQtnC1Mks_UsI5P9Wmpc4nBCk/edit#
15:09:16 <maryjom> Rachael: We are right now putting content we've been working on in the last 6 months into the draft, including exploratory content.
15:09:51 <maryjom> Rachael: This will be put out, not as a wide review draft, but a working draft especially so regulators can take a look at it.
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15:10:25 <maryjom> Rachael: We are hoping to publish  it in March.
15:11:05 <maryjom> Rachael: We want to have the review with the core questions that will get evaluated.
15:11:38 <maryjom> Rachael: We'll close out all issues to the new draft as well as hold meetings with regulators.
15:12:01 <maryjom> Rachael: We want to walk through the writing process and create an exploratory list of outcomes.
15:12:47 <jeanne> q+ to say Silver TF is doing two big things are same time
15:13:04 <Lauriat> ack jeanne
15:13:04 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to say Silver TF is doing two big things are same time
15:13:07 <maryjom> ...  Goal is that we'll have 4 fully fleshed out examples, a full exploratory list of guidelines and outcomes and then publish again.
15:13:47 <maryjom> jeanne: Concerned that there are 2 big tasks for silver happening at the same time.
15:14:33 <maryjom> jeanne: Thinks that captions being fully fleshed out would be a good priority.
15:14:39 <janina> q+ to ask about machine readable conformance claims?
15:14:47 <Lauriat> q+ to say the opposite, I think we should prioritize building out the full shape with placeholders
15:14:50 <maryjom> Rachael: Thinks error prevention may be a better one to focus on.
15:15:37 <maryjom> janina: Are we still thinking about having the conformance claims data available in a machine readable format
15:15:56 <maryjom> Rachael: We do need that reminder, if you will please open an issue.
15:16:22 <Lauriat> ack janina
15:16:22 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask about machine readable conformance claims?
15:16:24 <Lauriat> ack me
15:16:24 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to say the opposite, I think we should prioritize building out the full shape with placeholders
15:17:17 <maryjom> Lauriat: Thinks we should prioritize having the placeholders for outcomes, guidelines.
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15:17:34 <maryjom> Rachael: We'd need to have a sub-group focused on this.
15:18:02 <Chuck_> NO OBJECTIONS!
15:18:11 <Chuck_> agenda?
15:19:09 <maryjom> janina: No objections to Silver writing placeholder content for all future guidelines. We talked about this in the writing process last week.
15:19:41 <maryjom> s/janina:/jeanne:/
15:19:50 <jeanne> Process for writing Guidelines using Maturity levels
15:19:51 <maryjom> zakim, take up next
15:19:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Map out writing placeholder content -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:19:59 <Chuck_> q+ to discuss a point of order
15:20:13 <jeanne> Process for writing Guidelines using Maturity levels -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zW-UubALQOCokCoLnIuQrnGNKLm2uHi36S8yhAojrIE/
15:20:46 <Lauriat> q+ to answer
15:20:51 <Lauriat> ack Chuck_
15:20:51 <Zakim> Chuck_, you wanted to discuss a point of order
15:20:56 <Chuck_> ack Lau
15:20:56 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to answer
15:21:03 <janina> q+
15:21:04 <Chuck_> +1
15:21:09 <Lauriat> ack me
15:21:18 <jeanne> ack jan
15:22:35 <Chuck_> We (AGWG) should encourage and solicit for participation.
15:23:08 <maryjom> jeanne: The section we talked about last week was the captions example, in the placeholder section.
15:23:14 <jeanne> Captions
15:23:14 <jeanne> Description:
15:23:14 <jeanne> People who are deaf or have a hearing loss can access the auditory information in the synchronized media content through captions. (from Understanding)
15:23:14 <jeanne> Functional Needs
15:23:14 <jeanne> Deafness, Hard of Hearing
15:23:14 <jeanne> Use with limited ability to comprehend spoken language
15:23:14 <jeanne> Outcomes
15:23:15 <jeanne> Has Captions
15:23:15 <jeanne> Quality of Captions
15:23:15 <jeanne> Consistent style of captions
15:23:16 <jeanne> Captions are synchronous
15:23:16 <jeanne> Captions are complete
15:23:16 <jeanne> Captions are properly placed
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15:24:06 <maryjom> jeanne: We'd have a description, then the functional needs, and then the outcomes.
15:24:59 <Rachael> ...Do we want functional needs or detailed user needs?
15:25:01 <Rachael> q+
15:25:09 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
15:25:21 <Chuck_> Rachael:  Practical question.  Can we put in a note that this is a working session?
15:25:41 <Rachael> Working on Document. Light to no scribing.
15:25:41 <jeanne> Placeholder example: -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zW-UubALQOCokCoLnIuQrnGNKLm2uHi36S8yhAojrIE/edit#heading=h.9nw961rnwspl
15:25:52 <Chuck_> NOTE:  The Silver Task Force is transitioning to a working session, for which scribing is not required.
15:26:17 <Chuck_> +1 functional needs
15:26:48 <Chuck_> q+
15:26:55 <Chuck_> ack Ch
15:28:35 <Chuck_> +1 to tentative outcomes
15:29:43 <Rachael> q+
15:30:21 <Chuck_> ack Rach
15:30:23 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
15:31:23 <janina> Maybe we need to acknowledge the process is often not strictly linear?
15:32:16 <Rachael> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_eXtFaHSD8y5b2W8FcyubSEH1k8ZTvygEd6QuFrtg-g/edit#slide=id.g2073df47411_0_11
15:32:21 <janina> q+
15:32:47 <maryjom> Rachael: Experienced the same problem with circular analysis and regrouping of outcomes and tests when working on clear language.
15:33:00 <Chuck_> ack Jan
15:33:02 <Lauriat> ack janina
15:33:13 <Rachael> +1
15:33:18 <maryjom> Rachael: Seems there will need to be a process or explanation for doing this.
15:33:49 <maryjom> janina: It's not unusual for this to be the case and we may want to define things to check after the initial analysis.
15:34:18 <maryjom> jeanne: This is what the test group was doing when they were working on the tests for outcomes.
15:34:23 <Chuck_> s/so that are/so that our/
15:34:45 <Rachael> +1 to premature so how do we handle this?
15:35:01 <Rachael> q+
15:35:09 <Chuck_> ack Rach
15:35:20 <maryjom> jeanne: People want outcomes, but we need to go through the user needs. Think it's premature to work on outcomes at this point.
15:35:37 <maryjom> Rachael: Perhaps just have some sample outcomes
15:35:56 <maryjom> ...and maybe label them exploratory.
15:36:31 <Chuck_> +1 Example Outcomes
15:36:46 <Lauriat> q+
15:37:07 <Chuck_> ack Lau
15:38:08 <jeanne> ack laur
15:38:39 <maryjom> q+
15:38:46 <Lauriat> +1
15:39:27 <Chuck_> ack Mary
15:39:27 <Rachael> maybe: 1) existence and quality (two tests), 2) synchronized, 3) location
15:39:42 <Rachael> q+
15:39:45 <Chuck_> ack Rach
15:41:49 <Chuck_> q+ to say this is an example list
15:41:51 <Chuck_> ack Ch
15:41:51 <Zakim> Chuck_, you wanted to say this is an example list
15:41:58 <janina> q+
15:42:02 <Chuck_> ack Janina
15:42:15 <Chuck_> q+
15:42:18 <Chuck_> ack Ch
15:43:08 <maryjom> janina: Media accessibility user requirements may have all the user needs we need for this.
15:44:00 <janina> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
15:45:15 <Chuck_> q+
15:45:17 <Chuck_> ack Ch
15:47:17 <maryjom> q+
15:47:27 <Chuck_> -1
15:47:33 <Chuck_> q+
15:47:41 <Chuck_> ack Mary
15:48:59 <Chuck_> ack Ch
15:55:03 <maryjom> jeanne: we'll look at organization next week. There's a few options.
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