IRC log of silver on 2023-02-10

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Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
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present:
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chair: Shawn, jeanne
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present+
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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q?
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Scribe List -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List#Scribe_List
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zakim, clear queue
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I don't understand 'clear queue', jeanne
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queue:
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q?
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q- Rachae
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s/zakim, clear queue//
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s/queue: //
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
13:37:25 [jeanne]
agenda+ Preview of Tuesday's AG WG call
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agenda+ Map out writing placeholder content
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ok, I give up. I fail the syntax IQ test
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agenda?
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Present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1 -- Preview of Tuesday's AG WG call -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:05:58 [jeanne]
Email of agenda -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2023Feb/0006.html
15:06:18 [maryjom]
scribe: maryjom
15:06:40 [Chuck_]
q+
15:06:41 [jeanne]
our plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k_rCBUVPQj2myECC06rQtnC1Mks_UsI5P9Wmpc4nBCk/edit#
15:06:55 [maryjom]
Rachael: This is a step-by-step on how we are going to move forward.
15:07:21 [maryjom]
... There will be some in-depth conversations about conformance at the AG WG meeting
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ack Ch
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present+
15:07:52 [Rachael]
present+
15:08:06 [maryjom]
jeanne: Let's present the plan and get feedback.
15:08:12 [jeanne]
Topic: Plan for next 6 months
15:08:40 [jeanne]
RM: our plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k_rCBUVPQj2myECC06rQtnC1Mks_UsI5P9Wmpc4nBCk/edit#
15:09:16 [maryjom]
Rachael: We are right now putting content we've been working on in the last 6 months into the draft, including exploratory content.
15:09:51 [maryjom]
Rachael: This will be put out, not as a wide review draft, but a working draft especially so regulators can take a look at it.
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Rachael: We are hoping to publish it in March.
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Rachael: We want to have the review with the core questions that will get evaluated.
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Rachael: We'll close out all issues to the new draft as well as hold meetings with regulators.
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Rachael: We want to walk through the writing process and create an exploratory list of outcomes.
15:12:47 [jeanne]
q+ to say Silver TF is doing two big things are same time
15:13:04 [Lauriat]
ack jeanne
15:13:04 [Zakim]
jeanne, you wanted to say Silver TF is doing two big things are same time
15:13:07 [maryjom]
... Goal is that we'll have 4 fully fleshed out examples, a full exploratory list of guidelines and outcomes and then publish again.
15:13:47 [maryjom]
jeanne: Concerned that there are 2 big tasks for silver happening at the same time.
15:14:33 [maryjom]
jeanne: Thinks that captions being fully fleshed out would be a good priority.
15:14:39 [janina]
q+ to ask about machine readable conformance claims?
15:14:47 [Lauriat]
q+ to say the opposite, I think we should prioritize building out the full shape with placeholders
15:14:50 [maryjom]
Rachael: Thinks error prevention may be a better one to focus on.
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janina: Are we still thinking about having the conformance claims data available in a machine readable format
15:15:56 [maryjom]
Rachael: We do need that reminder, if you will please open an issue.
15:16:22 [Lauriat]
ack janina
15:16:22 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to ask about machine readable conformance claims?
15:16:24 [Lauriat]
ack me
15:16:24 [Zakim]
Lauriat, you wanted to say the opposite, I think we should prioritize building out the full shape with placeholders
15:17:17 [maryjom]
Lauriat: Thinks we should prioritize having the placeholders for outcomes, guidelines.
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Rachael: We'd need to have a sub-group focused on this.
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NO OBJECTIONS!
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agenda?
15:19:09 [maryjom]
janina: No objections to Silver writing placeholder content for all future guidelines. We talked about this in the writing process last week.
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s/janina:/jeanne:/
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Process for writing Guidelines using Maturity levels
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zakim, take up next
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agendum 2 -- Map out writing placeholder content -- taken up [from jeanne]
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q+ to discuss a point of order
15:20:13 [jeanne]
Process for writing Guidelines using Maturity levels -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zW-UubALQOCokCoLnIuQrnGNKLm2uHi36S8yhAojrIE/
15:20:46 [Lauriat]
q+ to answer
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ack Chuck_
15:20:51 [Zakim]
Chuck_, you wanted to discuss a point of order
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ack Lau
15:20:56 [Zakim]
Lauriat, you wanted to answer
15:21:03 [janina]
q+
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+1
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ack me
15:21:18 [jeanne]
ack jan
15:22:35 [Chuck_]
We (AGWG) should encourage and solicit for participation.
15:23:08 [maryjom]
jeanne: The section we talked about last week was the captions example, in the placeholder section.
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Captions
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Description:
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People who are deaf or have a hearing loss can access the auditory information in the synchronized media content through captions. (from Understanding)
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Functional Needs
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Deafness, Hard of Hearing
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Use with limited ability to comprehend spoken language
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Outcomes
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Has Captions
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Quality of Captions
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Consistent style of captions
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Captions are synchronous
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Captions are complete
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Captions are properly placed
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jeanne: We'd have a description, then the functional needs, and then the outcomes.
15:24:59 [Rachael]
...Do we want functional needs or detailed user needs?
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q+
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ack Rachael
15:25:21 [Chuck_]
Rachael: Practical question. Can we put in a note that this is a working session?
15:25:41 [Rachael]
Working on Document. Light to no scribing.
15:25:41 [jeanne]
Placeholder example: -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zW-UubALQOCokCoLnIuQrnGNKLm2uHi36S8yhAojrIE/edit#heading=h.9nw961rnwspl
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NOTE: The Silver Task Force is transitioning to a working session, for which scribing is not required.
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+1 functional needs
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q+
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ack Ch
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+1 to tentative outcomes
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q+
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ack Rach
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ack Rachael
15:31:23 [janina]
Maybe we need to acknowledge the process is often not strictly linear?
15:32:16 [Rachael]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_eXtFaHSD8y5b2W8FcyubSEH1k8ZTvygEd6QuFrtg-g/edit#slide=id.g2073df47411_0_11
15:32:21 [janina]
q+
15:32:47 [maryjom]
Rachael: Experienced the same problem with circular analysis and regrouping of outcomes and tests when working on clear language.
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ack Jan
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ack janina
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+1
15:33:18 [maryjom]
Rachael: Seems there will need to be a process or explanation for doing this.
15:33:49 [maryjom]
janina: It's not unusual for this to be the case and we may want to define things to check after the initial analysis.
15:34:18 [maryjom]
jeanne: This is what the test group was doing when they were working on the tests for outcomes.
15:34:23 [Chuck_]
s/so that are/so that our/
15:34:45 [Rachael]
+1 to premature so how do we handle this?
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q+
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ack Rach
15:35:20 [maryjom]
jeanne: People want outcomes, but we need to go through the user needs. Think it's premature to work on outcomes at this point.
15:35:37 [maryjom]
Rachael: Perhaps just have some sample outcomes
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...and maybe label them exploratory.
15:36:31 [Chuck_]
+1 Example Outcomes
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q+
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ack Lau
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ack laur
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q+
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+1
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ack Mary
15:39:27 [Rachael]
maybe: 1) existence and quality (two tests), 2) synchronized, 3) location
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q+
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ack Rach
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q+ to say this is an example list
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ack Ch
15:41:51 [Zakim]
Chuck_, you wanted to say this is an example list
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q+
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ack Janina
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q+
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15:43:08 [maryjom]
janina: Media accessibility user requirements may have all the user needs we need for this.
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http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
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q+
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q+
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-1
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q+
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ack Mary
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ack Ch
15:55:03 [maryjom]
jeanne: we'll look at organization next week. There's a few options.
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html maryjom
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