IRC log of silver on 2023-02-10
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
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- present:
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- chair: Shawn, jeanne
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- present+
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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- q?
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- Scribe List -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Scribe_List#Scribe_List
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- zakim, clear queue
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- I don't understand 'clear queue', jeanne
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- queue:
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- q?
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- q- Rachae
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- s/zakim, clear queue//
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- s/queue: //
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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- s|queue: ||
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- s|s/queue: // ||
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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- agenda+ Preview of Tuesday's AG WG call
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- agenda+ Map out writing placeholder content
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- ok, I give up. I fail the syntax IQ test
- 13:38:15 [maryjom]
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- agenda?
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- Present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1 -- Preview of Tuesday's AG WG call -- taken up [from jeanne]
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- Email of agenda -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2023Feb/0006.html
- 15:06:18 [maryjom]
- scribe: maryjom
- 15:06:40 [Chuck_]
- q+
- 15:06:41 [jeanne]
- our plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k_rCBUVPQj2myECC06rQtnC1Mks_UsI5P9Wmpc4nBCk/edit#
- 15:06:55 [maryjom]
- Rachael: This is a step-by-step on how we are going to move forward.
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- ... There will be some in-depth conversations about conformance at the AG WG meeting
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- ack Ch
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- present+
- 15:07:52 [Rachael]
- present+
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- jeanne: Let's present the plan and get feedback.
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- Topic: Plan for next 6 months
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- RM: our plan: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k_rCBUVPQj2myECC06rQtnC1Mks_UsI5P9Wmpc4nBCk/edit#
- 15:09:16 [maryjom]
- Rachael: We are right now putting content we've been working on in the last 6 months into the draft, including exploratory content.
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- Rachael: This will be put out, not as a wide review draft, but a working draft especially so regulators can take a look at it.
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- Rachael: We are hoping to publish it in March.
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- Rachael: We want to have the review with the core questions that will get evaluated.
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- Rachael: We'll close out all issues to the new draft as well as hold meetings with regulators.
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- Rachael: We want to walk through the writing process and create an exploratory list of outcomes.
- 15:12:47 [jeanne]
- q+ to say Silver TF is doing two big things are same time
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- ack jeanne
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- jeanne, you wanted to say Silver TF is doing two big things are same time
- 15:13:07 [maryjom]
- ... Goal is that we'll have 4 fully fleshed out examples, a full exploratory list of guidelines and outcomes and then publish again.
- 15:13:47 [maryjom]
- jeanne: Concerned that there are 2 big tasks for silver happening at the same time.
- 15:14:33 [maryjom]
- jeanne: Thinks that captions being fully fleshed out would be a good priority.
- 15:14:39 [janina]
- q+ to ask about machine readable conformance claims?
- 15:14:47 [Lauriat]
- q+ to say the opposite, I think we should prioritize building out the full shape with placeholders
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- Rachael: Thinks error prevention may be a better one to focus on.
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- janina: Are we still thinking about having the conformance claims data available in a machine readable format
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- Rachael: We do need that reminder, if you will please open an issue.
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- ack janina
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- janina, you wanted to ask about machine readable conformance claims?
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- ack me
- 15:16:24 [Zakim]
- Lauriat, you wanted to say the opposite, I think we should prioritize building out the full shape with placeholders
- 15:17:17 [maryjom]
- Lauriat: Thinks we should prioritize having the placeholders for outcomes, guidelines.
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- Rachael: We'd need to have a sub-group focused on this.
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- NO OBJECTIONS!
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- agenda?
- 15:19:09 [maryjom]
- janina: No objections to Silver writing placeholder content for all future guidelines. We talked about this in the writing process last week.
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- s/janina:/jeanne:/
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- Process for writing Guidelines using Maturity levels
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 2 -- Map out writing placeholder content -- taken up [from jeanne]
- 15:19:59 [Chuck_]
- q+ to discuss a point of order
- 15:20:13 [jeanne]
- Process for writing Guidelines using Maturity levels -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zW-UubALQOCokCoLnIuQrnGNKLm2uHi36S8yhAojrIE/
- 15:20:46 [Lauriat]
- q+ to answer
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- ack Chuck_
- 15:20:51 [Zakim]
- Chuck_, you wanted to discuss a point of order
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- ack Lau
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- Lauriat, you wanted to answer
- 15:21:03 [janina]
- q+
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- +1
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- ack me
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- ack jan
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- We (AGWG) should encourage and solicit for participation.
- 15:23:08 [maryjom]
- jeanne: The section we talked about last week was the captions example, in the placeholder section.
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- Captions
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- Description:
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- People who are deaf or have a hearing loss can access the auditory information in the synchronized media content through captions. (from Understanding)
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- Functional Needs
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- Deafness, Hard of Hearing
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- Use with limited ability to comprehend spoken language
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- Outcomes
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- Has Captions
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- Quality of Captions
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- Consistent style of captions
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- Captions are synchronous
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- Captions are complete
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- Captions are properly placed
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- 15:24:06 [maryjom]
- jeanne: We'd have a description, then the functional needs, and then the outcomes.
- 15:24:59 [Rachael]
- ...Do we want functional needs or detailed user needs?
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- q+
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- ack Rachael
- 15:25:21 [Chuck_]
- Rachael: Practical question. Can we put in a note that this is a working session?
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- Working on Document. Light to no scribing.
- 15:25:41 [jeanne]
- Placeholder example: -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zW-UubALQOCokCoLnIuQrnGNKLm2uHi36S8yhAojrIE/edit#heading=h.9nw961rnwspl
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- NOTE: The Silver Task Force is transitioning to a working session, for which scribing is not required.
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- +1 functional needs
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- q+
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- ack Ch
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- +1 to tentative outcomes
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- q+
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- ack Rach
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- ack Rachael
- 15:31:23 [janina]
- Maybe we need to acknowledge the process is often not strictly linear?
- 15:32:16 [Rachael]
- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_eXtFaHSD8y5b2W8FcyubSEH1k8ZTvygEd6QuFrtg-g/edit#slide=id.g2073df47411_0_11
- 15:32:21 [janina]
- q+
- 15:32:47 [maryjom]
- Rachael: Experienced the same problem with circular analysis and regrouping of outcomes and tests when working on clear language.
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- ack Jan
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- ack janina
- 15:33:13 [Rachael]
- +1
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- Rachael: Seems there will need to be a process or explanation for doing this.
- 15:33:49 [maryjom]
- janina: It's not unusual for this to be the case and we may want to define things to check after the initial analysis.
- 15:34:18 [maryjom]
- jeanne: This is what the test group was doing when they were working on the tests for outcomes.
- 15:34:23 [Chuck_]
- s/so that are/so that our/
- 15:34:45 [Rachael]
- +1 to premature so how do we handle this?
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- q+
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- ack Rach
- 15:35:20 [maryjom]
- jeanne: People want outcomes, but we need to go through the user needs. Think it's premature to work on outcomes at this point.
- 15:35:37 [maryjom]
- Rachael: Perhaps just have some sample outcomes
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- ...and maybe label them exploratory.
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- +1 Example Outcomes
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- q+
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- ack Lau
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- ack laur
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- q+
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- +1
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- ack Mary
- 15:39:27 [Rachael]
- maybe: 1) existence and quality (two tests), 2) synchronized, 3) location
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- q+
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- ack Rach
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- q+ to say this is an example list
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- ack Ch
- 15:41:51 [Zakim]
- Chuck_, you wanted to say this is an example list
- 15:41:58 [janina]
- q+
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- ack Janina
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- q+
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- ack Ch
- 15:43:08 [maryjom]
- janina: Media accessibility user requirements may have all the user needs we need for this.
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
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- q+
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- ack Ch
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- q+
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- -1
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- q+
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- ack Mary
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- ack Ch
- 15:55:03 [maryjom]
- jeanne: we'll look at organization next week. There's a few options.
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/10-silver-minutes.html maryjom
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