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12:01:07 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
12:01:25 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Lagally
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12:03:40 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profile_-_Feb_8th.2C_2023
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12:05:26 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:08:07 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
12:08:39 <kaz> topic: Agenda
12:08:47 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profile_-_Feb_8th.2C_2023 agenda for today
12:08:53 <kaz> ml: (goes through the agenda)
12:09:26 <kaz> topic: Housekeeping
12:10:16 <kaz> subtopic: Minutes
12:10:28 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-profile-minutes.html Feb-1
12:10:34 <kaz> q?
12:10:45 <kaz> ml: (goes though the minutes)
12:15:19 <kaz> minutes approved
12:16:10 <kaz> subtopic: New Profile wiki page
12:16:21 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/index.php?title=WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf WoT Profile wiki
12:16:39 <kaz> ml: we now have a separate wiki page for WoT Profile as above
12:16:47 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matukura
12:16:51 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:16:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:16:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:17:03 <kaz> q?
12:17:22 <kaz> mm: added a link from the WoT main wiki to this wiki too
12:19:13 <kaz> topic: Schedule
12:19:18 <kaz> ml: just a reminder
12:19:28 <kaz> CR draft: End February (4-6 weeks for wrap-up)
12:19:30 <kaz> 2 months review
12:19:32 <kaz> wide review
12:19:34 <kaz> PR End May (at the latest)
12:19:47 <kaz> mm: we've agreed to ask for wide reviews based on the WD version
12:19:50 <kaz> ml: right
12:20:02 <kaz> topic: Explainer
12:20:28 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/362 PR 362 - Finalize Explainer.md
12:20:41 <kaz> ml: (goes through the "Files changed"
12:20:47 <kaz> s/ged"/ged")/
12:20:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:20:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:21:26 <kaz> ... removed the requirements section
12:21:54 <kaz> ... renamed "Baseline Profile" as "Basic Profile"
12:22:16 <kaz> ... removed the detail on error processing
12:22:18 <kaz> mm: ok
12:22:36 <kaz> ... note that there is a specific template for Explainers
12:22:44 <kaz> ... did you see the template?
12:23:02 <kaz> ml: no, just copied the content from another Explainer
12:23:07 <kaz> mm: ok
12:23:17 <kaz> ... would suggest we make a resolution after reviews
12:23:30 <kaz> ... e.g., next week
12:23:43 <kaz> ml: yeah, would get group-wide reviews
12:23:59 <kaz> mm: looks pretty reasonable to me
12:24:20 <kaz> q+
12:24:42 <kaz> ack k
12:24:57 <kaz> kaz: given there are kind of big changes, would suggest we merge this PR itself now
12:25:02 <kaz> ... then ask people for review
12:25:11 <kaz> ... then if no complaints, we can move ahead
12:25:14 <kaz> ml: ok
12:26:40 <kaz> mm: "a set of languages supported by the environments" is actually a big set of languages
12:26:43 <kaz> ml: right
12:27:54 <kaz> mm: what about the "Security Considerations"?
12:28:00 <kaz> ml: not much there
12:28:33 <luca_barbato> q+
12:28:58 <kaz> ... can refer to the section "12. Security Considerations"
12:29:04 <kaz> mm: would agree with Kaz
12:29:09 <kaz> ... we can merge this PR itself
12:29:12 <kaz> q?
12:29:13 <kaz> ack l
12:29:18 <kaz> lb: regarding I18N
12:29:28 <kaz> ... we could refactor it
12:30:01 <kaz> ... what if an implementer choose another language?
12:30:16 <kaz> ... local market might want to support additional languages
12:30:30 <kaz> ... we should keep the possibility
12:30:39 <kaz> mm: we haven't talked about our models
12:30:57 <kaz> ... someone from the developers can develop a model
12:31:08 <kaz> ... might pick a default language to support
12:31:25 <kaz> ... what would be the human-readable information is another question
12:31:41 <kaz> ... we need to clarify that point as well
12:32:05 <kaz> q+
12:33:48 <kaz> ml: we might want to add some note
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12:34:06 <kaz> lb: we should try to keep the requirements as minimum
12:34:43 <kaz> ... what if some developer would use a device with limited resources?
12:34:43 <mlagally> q?
12:35:04 <kaz> ml: think we're on the same page around this point
12:37:08 <McCool> q+
12:38:05 <kaz> kaz: for Explainer, it would be nice to add some supplementary note
12:38:26 <kaz> ... on our original intention for the WoT Profile spec
12:38:44 <kaz> ... then should explain device-specific limitation as described by the WoT Profile spec
12:38:48 <kaz> ack k
12:38:52 <kaz> ack m
12:39:27 <kaz> mm: intersection of common runtimes to be supported
12:40:17 <kaz> ... languages are facilitated for human UIs
12:40:38 <kaz> ... not directly impact interoperability issues on the device level
12:40:44 <kaz> lb: sounds fair
12:40:49 <kaz> ml: ok
12:40:55 <kaz> ... can we merge this PR then?
12:41:05 <kaz> q?
12:41:13 <kaz> q+ luca
12:41:24 <kaz> lb: seems there is enough agreement
12:41:27 <kaz> ack luca
12:41:32 <kaz> merged
12:41:53 <kaz> topic: Wide reviews
12:42:18 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/358 Issue 358 - Wide review
12:42:45 <kaz> q+
12:43:10 <McCool> q+
12:43:36 <kaz> ack k
12:44:14 <kaz> kaz: Security to be mentioned within the first comment as well as the second comment in the Issue 358
12:44:18 <kaz> ml: done
12:44:54 <kaz> mm: there is specific procedure on how to handle the GitHub issues for wide reviews
12:45:25 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Guide/documentreview/ How to do Wide Review guide
12:46:24 <kaz> q?
12:46:26 <kaz> ack m
12:46:30 <kaz> q+
12:47:00 <kaz> ack k
12:47:34 <kaz> kaz: if you want, I can give you a tutorial on the procedure again :)
12:47:49 <kaz> ml: will read the guide first, but your help appreciated
12:49:38 <kaz> kaz: note that there is a section saying "Common mistakes when making a transition request"
12:49:52 <kaz> ... please read that section even more carefully :)
12:50:00 <kaz> ml: ok
12:51:03 <kaz> q?
12:51:37 <kaz> mm: for example, please be careful about *-needs-resolution label
12:51:50 <kaz> ... you can't use that label yourself
12:52:26 <kaz> ... those labels are intended to be used by the horizontal groups
12:53:00 <kaz> ml: may I ask you for help on Privacy and Security, McCool?
12:53:13 <kaz> mm: yeah, there are many issues around Security and Privacy
12:54:32 <kaz> ml: what/how to proceed?
12:54:57 <kaz> ... there are 7 open PRs
12:55:00 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pulls open PRs
12:55:51 <kaz> mm: related issues to be addressed
12:58:26 <kaz> ml: will clean up the Profile/Architecture wiki too
12:58:48 <kaz> kaz: the upper part on each TF should be edited
12:59:00 <kaz> ... but the latter part on the history can be kept asis
12:59:02 <kaz> ml: ok
12:59:06 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:59:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:59:30 <kaz> i|what/how|topic: AOB?|
12:59:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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