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13:00:36 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
13:00:57 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool
13:03:57 <kaz> q+
13:04:15 <kaz> ack k
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13:07:19 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:08:33 <Ege> topic: Agenda
13:08:40 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
13:08:43 <McCool_> q+
13:08:48 <kaz> scribenick: Ege
13:09:33 <Ege> mm: let's reverse the order
13:09:41 <kaz> q+
13:09:43 <Ege> ... because we could not talk about the policy last time
13:10:41 <kaz> ack m
13:10:43 <kaz> ack k
13:11:05 <kaz> present+ Geun-Hyung_Kim
13:11:14 <Ege> topic: Minutes Review
13:11:28 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/01/31-wot-uc-minutes.html Jan-31
13:11:52 <kaz> i|Minutes|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/index.php?title=IG_UseCase_WebConf&action=edit&section=13 Agenda for today|
13:11:59 <Ege> ml: we merged the ETRI use case about pest control
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13:15:03 <Ege> topic: Pull Requests
13:15:14 <kaz> i/Pull/Minutes approved/
13:15:15 <Ege> subtopic: Updating Requirments Template
13:15:50 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/209 PR 209 - Update requirements-template.md
13:16:26 <Ege> q+
13:17:13 <Ege> ml: should we go with this template?
13:17:28 <Ege> mm: how do we refer to UCs?
13:17:31 <Ege> ... do we have id?
13:17:37 <Ege> ml: we have internal ids
13:18:36 <mjk> (the webex coordinate on the WoT calendar is expired)
13:19:32 <Ege> ek: I think we should use html ids otherwise the numbers will change
13:19:42 <kaz> ack e
13:21:45 <kaz> s/(the webex coordinate on the WoT calendar is expired)//
13:22:04 <Ege> q+
13:22:29 <Ege> mm: we can do an example and then do the other ones
13:22:58 <Ege> ml: we can take a strawman proposal
13:23:12 <kaz> q+
13:23:17 <kaz> ack e
13:23:38 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
13:23:44 <McCool_> q+
13:24:40 <Ege> mm: geolocation would be nice but it is a big UC
13:24:54 <Ege> ek: how can one know other person's business case?
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13:25:10 <Ege> ... I think this should be in the UC input
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13:26:06 <Geun_Hyung> present+
13:26:21 <Ege> ml: it can be also in the use case, like in the pest control it is about saving money
13:26:27 <kaz> ack k
13:26:28 <kaz> ack m
13:26:37 <Ege> ek: I thought this means more the business importance
13:27:00 <Ege> kaz: business importance is a bit delicate
13:27:21 <Ege> mm: we should focus on the policy, justification can come later
13:28:01 <McCool_> q+
13:28:26 <kaz> s/Business importance is a bit delicate/saying "business justification" within this requirements description would be a bit too strong, also kind of delicate. So would suggest we simply say "Need and Motivation" instead./
13:28:51 <kaz> q?
13:28:56 <kaz> ack m
13:29:16 <Ege> ml: we should make sure that we give less priority to hobby projects and look for business cases
13:29:25 <kaz> s/we should/Agree. Also we should/
13:30:20 <McCool_> q+
13:30:24 <Ege> mm: we can list multiple justifications and assign them. then we can rank them
13:30:59 <Ege> lb: how about having an impact gauge, whether it is business or societal
13:31:08 <Ege> q+
13:31:25 <McCool_> ack m
13:32:35 <kaz> q+
13:32:36 <Ege> ml: Let's merge and iterate on it
13:32:45 <Ege> ek: ok I will create a PR to remove
13:32:46 <Ege> ack e
13:32:52 <kaz> ack k
13:33:00 <Ege> ek: should we update the HTML too?
13:33:04 <Ege> ml: good question
13:33:11 <Ege> mm: the final document would be html
13:33:26 <McCool_> q+
13:34:15 <kaz> ack m
13:34:32 <Ege> lb: I think we should to stick to md but say what dialect we use
13:34:37 <kaz> q+ Luca
13:34:50 <McCool_> q+
13:34:54 <kaz> ack l
13:34:56 <Ege> ... we can use to github flavor
13:36:07 <Ege> ml: is this the one?
13:36:18 <Ege> lb: yes, we can also remove some complex cases
13:36:19 <mlagally> https://github.github.com/gfm/
13:36:35 <Ege> mm: I would say let's use github and not make it complicated
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13:39:32 <Ege> ml: we can remove the html version
13:39:40 <McCool_> q+
13:40:41 <kaz> ack m
13:42:00 <Ege> mm: I think we can start with the geolocation
13:42:26 <kaz> q+
13:42:36 <Ege> mm: it has variants but we can handle them internally
13:45:15 <Ege> ml: can someone takeover the screen
13:45:45 <kaz> s/takeover/take over/
13:48:05 <kaz> q?
13:49:14 <luca_barbato> q?
13:49:27 <kaz> ack k
13:49:51 <luca_barbato> q+
13:52:12 <kaz> kaz: note that "geolocation" is a kind of data which could be used by various use cases including smart home, smart building and smart city. So this description is also a kind of generic description for various use cases derived from this./
13:52:26 <kaz> s|this./|this.|
13:52:39 <kaz> mm: right. so would start with generic description for this
13:52:50 <kaz> i/not that/scribenick: kaz/
13:52:57 <Ege> mm: also we need to capture variants.
13:53:06 <kaz> i/also/scribenick: Ege/
13:53:16 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:53:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:53:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:55:22 <Ege> lb: it might good to use HTML comments
13:55:28 <Ege> mm: but they should be visible
14:00:16 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:00:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:00:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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