W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force

24 January 2023

Attendees

Present
Curt, CurtBellew, Howard, howard-e, Jem, jongund, MarkMcCarthy, Matt_King, Siri
Regrets
-
Chair
Jemma
Scribe
Jem

Meeting minutes

Meeting Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/January-24%2C-2023-Agenda

Status of in-progress site updates

WAI site build problems blocking publication.

Work in progress on first AT support table - pull request #2569

Work in progress on restructure and improvement of About Page -- PR 2558

Work in progress on issue 2535 -- Same level navigation on Single Pattern and Single Practice pages

<Github> w3c/aria-practices#2569 : Button Example: Add AT support tables from ARIA-AT

Howard, Alex and Matt King will meet Michael Cooper to resolve publishing APG updates

mck: we did the review of AT support table embed last week.

w3c/aria-practices#2569

mck: 12 changes for support table update for Howard, Bocoup
… timeframe?

Howard: I will have the update on Monday.

mck: PR 2258 is still in progress and ready for the implementation

issue 2535 is not started for the implementation

2023 APG TF Vision Discussion

mck: what we talked about last week were

- Running workshops or info session to attract more participation

- More sharing of and improving Incentives for participation and contribution

- Returning to more focus to add design patterns

mck: what would be incentives for participation
… write out the list

any other measures to attract the partipant

jemma: may be one on one mentoring and coaching will be helpful.

https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/about/

jon: we can use the APG mailing list to invite participation
… let participants have deeper understanding

emphasis on the goal of benefiting other people

fullfillment will be a good reason to join.

mck: first weakness is in engineering aspect and second weakness is documentation

in APG

mck: how about design aspect?
… as we develop more example, we can recruit the desginers.
… The weakest part is engineering aspect.
… regression test is the important part of the work too.

jon: sure. we can have some specialization for the APG work.

jon; test can be very specific to the coding example

mck: back to talent discussion
… we need to recruit people, not coding example

jon: one of barrier to participate in APG is W3C membership issue.

mck: Intellectual Property clearance issue is connected.

jon: if we can connect the recruitment with accessibility course, it would be good.

mck: market the APG as the project, rather than members will be helpful?

jon: I think that is the good idea.

mck: we can provide template so that people can start working on it.

<jongund> w3c/aria-practices#2501

discussion summary: Community group and selling APG as project, not a membership.

curt: having simple workflow to contribute.

Combobox keyboard bug feedback

w3c/aria-practices#2440

https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/example-index/combobox/combobox-select-only.html

reading through the comment, w3c/aria-practices#2440 (comment)

sarah's comment on APG pattern vs Native <select> w3c/aria-practices#2440 (comment)

jon: it is confusing everything is read as "choose fruit"

mck: outcome of pervious meeting was we would change the name of the value to "choose fruit" and make it as none.
… should it be shown as place holder, not a value?

mck: we can go either way.

jon: intent here is the direction, "choose the fruit"

mck: we could show it as empty, no value.

mck: current behavior may be the bug, which highligted item can be different from selected item.

jon: "choose fruit" is checked initailly so it looks like the selected value.

jon: position of mouse seems to be a bit off.

jon: when you don thave anything selected, the value is the "choose the fruit". that is the problem

mck: I am having the difficult time to understand the bug - . hightlight vs select

jon: my problem is "choose a fruit" being the select option. It seems to be punky, it rather to be "no fruit" option

jon: native select html choose the first option as the value if nothing is selected.

mck: how about showing it as place holder with no value, - put it outside div so on...actually we are not sure whether aria place holder made it aria 1.2

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 210 (Wed Jan 11 19:21:32 2023 UTC).

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All speakers: curt, Howard, jemma, jon, mck

Active on IRC: CurtBellew, Github, howard-e, Jem, jongund, MarkMcCarthy, Matt_King