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12:04:10 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture/Profile
12:04:24 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool
12:06:34 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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12:14:01 <McCool> topic: Minutes
12:14:14 <McCool> ml: minutes from Dec 22 meeting
12:14:18 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/index.php?title=WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf&action=edit&section=17
12:14:55 <kaz> i|minutes|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/12/22-wot-arch-minutes.html Dec-22 Architecture minutes|
12:15:10 <McCool> ml: note this was a combined arch/profiles meeting
12:15:31 <McCool> ml: as it was all architecture, let's review it in the arch call tomorrow
12:15:46 <McCool> topic: WD Publication
12:15:48 <kaz> q+
12:15:56 <McCool> ml: made a resolution, where are we with publication?
12:16:17 <McCool> kaz: unfortunately, was not able to publish during holiday
12:16:23 <kaz> ack k
12:17:03 <McCool> ... still also working on CR publications, but Profile WD also not done
12:17:09 <McCool> topic: Schedule
12:17:38 <McCool> mm: will be proposing a 4mo extension today, to May 31
12:18:27 <McCool> mm: for Profiles, to get to PR would need CR in first two weeks of March at latest
12:19:09 <McCool> ... however, have 2wk internal WG review, so end of Feb need CR candidate
12:19:50 <McCool> mm: with other things going on, probably 4 to 5 meetings
12:21:58 <McCool> ml: (captures some notes in agenda wiki)
12:22:08 <McCool> ml: what about a testfest?
12:22:20 <McCool> mm: probably don't need one for other specs, but ok to focus on profile
12:22:42 <McCool> ... but we should resolve any descoping prior and have a clear WD
12:23:55 <McCool> topic: Contributions
12:24:04 <McCool> ml: some new PRs
12:24:29 <McCool> ml: PR #346
12:24:52 <McCool> ... add clarification on server behavior for webhooks
12:25:24 <McCool> ml: feel it is a useful clarification, says consumer provides both client and server behavior
12:25:56 <McCool> mm: feel it does address the issues cited and should be merged
12:26:10 <McCool> ml: concur, let's merge
12:27:02 <kaz> i/PR #346/subtopic: PR 346/
12:27:16 <McCool> ml: rest is WIP; what about #314?
12:27:18 <kaz> i|PR #346|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/346 PR 346 - Add clarification on server behavior of webhook consumer|
12:27:29 <McCool> mm: I need some time to catch up on the comments on #314
12:27:33 <kaz> i|#314|subtopic: PR 314|
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12:27:52 <McCool> topic: Testfest results
12:28:03 <kaz> i|#314|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/314 PR 314 - Allow auto security scheme for other permitted security schemes|
12:28:58 <mlagally> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/wot-profile/main/testing/report.html
12:29:08 <McCool> ml: (generates rendered version of report)
12:29:19 <McCool> q?
12:29:30 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:29:57 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:30:11 <McCool> ml: let's look at the at-risk items in the report
12:30:23 <kaz> s/html/html Rendered version of the draft Implementation Report for WoT Profile|
12:30:35 <kaz> s/Profile|/Profile/
12:30:44 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:30:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/11-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:32:45 <McCool> mm: should also look at categories, e.g. TD ones can in theory be automatically validated
12:33:04 <dape> q+
12:33:05 <McCool> ... profile-abstract-1 also might have two sub-assertions
12:35:44 <McCool> ml: then there is the a11y assertions
12:36:03 <McCool> mm: these are relatively easy to satisfy, we just need people to state
12:37:11 <McCool> dape: don't think we can say node-wot satisfies this...
12:37:41 <McCool> mm: to be clear, node-wot is a framework for building things, we want to evaluate these on concrete Thing implementations
12:37:56 <McCool> ... so would be on, say, a coffee machine
12:38:09 <McCool> dape: but from point of view of node-wot would never fulfill
12:38:31 <McCool> ... so hard to give it a "pass" from node-wot
12:38:46 <McCool> ml: it is also a conditional requirement, IF you have a deployment
12:39:12 <McCool> ... that may be used by users with disabilities
12:39:30 <McCool> ... so a coffee machine built with node-wot can be compliant
12:39:38 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:40:26 <McCool> mm: again, node-wot by itself is not an implementation
12:40:43 <McCool> dape: right, we need someone else *using* node-wot to be able to report on this
12:41:04 <kaz> q+
12:41:18 <kaz> ack d
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12:42:01 <McCool> kaz: understand point, but want to understand dape's position; is like browser, provides general framework
12:42:54 <kaz> ack k
12:43:12 <McCool> ... so should somehow consider node-wot an implementation
12:43:24 <kaz> q+
12:43:47 <kaz> ack k
12:44:21 <kaz> s/not an implementation/not an implementation of "WoT Thing" or "WoT Consumer"/
12:45:44 <kaz> s/an implementation/an implementation of WoT, though WoT by itself is not an implementation of "WoT Thing" or "WoT Consumer"./
12:45:59 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:46:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:46:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/11-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:46:57 <kaz> s/again, node-wot by itself is not an implementation of "WoT Thing" or "WoT Consumer"/again, node-wot by itself is not an implementation/
12:47:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:47:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/11-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:47:32 <McCool> ml: for all security schemes, is a problem
12:47:40 <kaz> s/is like browser/is like Chromium for browser implementations/
12:47:40 <McCool> mm: most probably it is oAuth
12:47:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:48:03 <McCool> dape: yes, problem is schemes that require human input
12:49:10 <McCool> mm: we could remove the security schemes that require human input... but keep e.g. the oAuth flows (I believe client) that don't
12:49:27 <McCool> ml: let's create an issue to look into this
12:49:56 <McCool> mm: I can do, will have to engage with Ben, since I think the code flow requirement came from Ben
12:50:16 <McCool> ... but will also think about how this relates to bearer tokens
12:50:59 <kaz> s/oAuth/OAuth/
12:52:29 <McCool> mm: security bootstrapping has PRs under discussion
12:53:01 <McCool> ... I think we need to clean up discovery vs. normal operation "auto"
12:53:07 <kaz> chair: Lagally
12:53:09 <McCool> ml: links
12:56:08 <McCool> mm: we need to add some structure here to capture test results for each table row
12:56:25 <McCool> ... since it is unlikely that a single TD will have all of these link types, nor is it expected
12:56:42 <McCool> ... but we would expect a set of TDs that would "cover" these
12:57:07 <kaz> q+
12:57:30 <McCool> ... suggest making child assertions for each row
12:57:40 <kaz> ack k
12:58:15 <McCool> kaz: would be good to improve the spec itself...
12:58:50 <McCool> mm: in TD, table rows can be marked as assertions, but the format is different here
12:59:18 <McCool> ... but will see if I can figure out how to mark these up with at-risk formatting, etc.
13:00:42 <McCool> ... similar issue for media types
13:00:44 <kaz> s/would be good to improve the spec itself.../agree that is important, and it would be nicer to improve the spec itself based on that structural clarification./
13:00:48 <kaz> q+
13:01:01 <kaz> q-
13:01:37 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:01:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:01:54 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
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