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13:04:01 <McCool_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#21_December_2022
13:04:08 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
13:04:14 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
13:04:43 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:05:47 <McCool_> present+ Michael_Lagally
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13:06:19 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:06:30 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#21_December_2022
13:06:33 <kaz> topic: Minutes
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13:07:04 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html Dec-14
13:07:30 <kaz> scribenick: Ege_
13:07:56 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:08:07 <Ege_> mm: DeutscheTelekom gave ok on reusing their slides in the conference
13:08:08 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
13:08:08 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Lagally, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:08:15 <Ege_> mm: We did resolutions to proceed to PRs
13:08:45 <kaz> q+
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13:09:15 <Ege_> mm: We have agreed on the profile resolution in the call just before
13:09:47 <Ege_> mm: We could not join the same call with Ege so we could not meet
13:09:47 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster
13:10:19 <Ege_> kaz: Have you contacted Takenaka about using their slides?
13:10:33 <Ege_> mm: Not yet, I need information from Sebastian as well
13:11:16 <Ege_> kaz: Takenaka contributed to last TPAC, it would be better to mention them as well
13:11:33 <Ege_> mm: I will make sure to dedicate same time to DeutscheTelekom and Takenaka
13:12:04 <Ege_> q+
13:12:41 <kaz> ack k
13:12:52 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:12:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:13:19 <Ege_> mm: I would like some slides from Echonet as well
13:14:32 <kaz> q+
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13:14:47 <Ege_> topic: CCNC Presentation
13:15:00 <Ege_> mm: give me your slides please, I want to have a balanced
13:16:23 <cris_> q+
13:16:37 <Ege_> ek: do you want me to ask for permissions?
13:16:38 <kaz> ack e
13:16:39 <kaz> ack k
13:16:45 <Ege_> ... otherwise the slides are on the cg repo
13:16:53 <Ege_> mm: yes it would be nice
13:17:06 <kaz> kaz: maybe one-two pagers like ECHONET/Takenaka provided for the TPAC breakout
13:17:11 <kaz> mm: right
13:17:17 <kaz> i/maybe/scribenick: kaz/
13:17:18 <Ege_> ek: do you want sifis home too?
13:17:28 <cris_> ack c
13:17:33 <Ege_> mm: maybe yes but we want to focus on commercial implementations
13:17:42 <kaz> i/do you/scribenick: Ege_/
13:18:34 <Ege_> topic: Charter Development Meeting Week
13:18:47 <Ege_> q+
13:19:01 <Ege_> q-
13:19:07 <Ege_> topic: Cancellations
13:19:11 <Ege_> q+
13:19:21 <kaz> q+
13:19:51 <Ege_> mm: we have some cancellations due to charter discussion
13:20:41 <Ege_> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Marketing_WebConf#Overall_Schedule
13:21:08 <kaz> ack e
13:21:09 <kaz> ack k
13:21:29 <kaz> Use Cases call will be held on Jan 10
13:21:45 <kaz> WebEx already available; McCool will send out an updated calendar
13:21:53 <kaz> Marketing call will be cancelled on Jan 10
13:22:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:22:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:22:34 <Ege_> q+
13:22:38 <Ege_> q-
13:22:52 <Ege_> topic: Testfest
13:23:04 <Ege_> mm: I have merged some results from the testfest for all specs
13:23:33 <Ege_> mm: We will review them in the testing call
13:23:51 <kaz> q?
13:23:55 <Ege_> mm: any updates?
13:24:00 <kaz> q+
13:24:06 <Ege_> mm: we did some progress but still many at risk items, especially discovery
13:24:15 <Ege_> q+
13:24:24 <Ege_> mm: TD is in a good shape
13:25:03 <Ege_> kaz: I agree we are getting in a better direction
13:26:18 <McCool_> q?
13:26:21 <McCool_> ack k
13:26:30 <kaz> s/direction/direction, but am still wondering why some of the basic assertions are not covered yet, e.g., Architecture's abstraction of device interface using TD. We should clarify what's happening during the Testing call later./
13:27:11 <kaz> q+
13:27:16 <kaz> ack e
13:27:22 <Ege_> ek: I think giving a deadline for contributions would also work
13:27:31 <Ege_> mm: let's talk in testing
13:28:00 <kaz> ack k
13:28:15 <kaz> kaz: agree we talk the detail during the Testing call
13:28:21 <kaz> i/agree/scribenick: kaz/
13:28:28 <kaz> topic: Publications
13:28:37 <kaz> mm: publication prep still ongoing
13:28:48 <kaz> ... good point is we can use auto publication for CR as well
13:28:55 <kaz> ... Kaz will continue to work on that
13:29:05 <kaz> scribenick: Ege_
13:29:05 <Ege_> mm: We have issue 809 of architecture in the agenda, but it is a carryover from last wekk
13:29:41 <kaz> kaz: can close it
13:29:47 <kaz> s/close/skip/
13:29:56 <kaz> s/can/scribenick: kaz/
13:30:16 <kaz> mm: on the other hand, Kaz pointed out several issues
13:30:19 <Ege_> mm: we have to ignore some link checker errors, they are false positive
13:30:46 <Ege_> q+
13:30:52 <Ege_> q-
13:31:00 <kaz> mm: but need to add some fixes, and Kaz will work on that
13:31:11 <kaz> i/we have to/scribenick: Ege_/
13:31:16 <Ege_> topic: IANA Entry for DIscovery
13:31:21 <kaz> i/but/scribenick: kaz/
13:31:24 <kaz> scribenick: Ege_
13:31:28 <kaz> s/DIs/Dis/
13:31:30 <Ege_> mm: We have changed the text entry
13:32:09 <Ege_> topic: DID Entry
13:32:20 <kaz> s|We have|-> https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml?search=wot IANA registry for WoT entries|
13:32:33 <Ege_> mm: we did not define a URL in our document so we cannot do a DID endpoint name
13:32:44 <kaz> s/We have changed the text entry/The TXT key fields have been modified./
13:33:40 <Ege_> mm: We can also split the discovery document in the next charter, one for intro and one for exploration
13:35:04 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:35:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:35:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:35:14 <kaz> subtopic: Profile
13:35:20 <kaz> mm: WD to be published after 3 CRs
13:36:15 <kaz> s/topic: Charter Development Meeting Week//
13:36:29 <kaz> topic: WG Charter discussion
13:36:37 <kaz> mm: how to deal with the agenda?
13:36:45 <kaz> (no specific opinions)
13:36:59 <kaz> mm: let's add initial agenda right below this schedule section then
13:37:26 <kaz> sk: we should talk about liaisons with related SDOs
13:37:50 <kaz> ... including industry-based digital approaches, etc.
13:37:58 <sebastian_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978#issuecomment-1359830278
13:37:58 <kaz> q+
13:38:30 <kaz> i|publication prep|subtopic: Architecture, TD, Discovery|
13:38:56 <kaz> s/scribenick: kaz skip/we can skip the issue 809 discussion/
13:39:11 <kaz> sk: we already have OPC UA, BACnet, etc.
13:39:24 <kaz> ... Meta, ECHONET, etc.
13:39:31 <kaz> s/Meta/Matter/
13:40:15 <kaz> mm: let's put that on Wednesday
13:40:58 <kaz> ... and let's use the 4th day, Thursday for final drafting
13:41:01 <kaz> q?
13:42:39 <Ege_> kaz: We should revisit our policy for liaisons a bit and prioritize industrial applications
13:42:48 <Ege_> kaz: that would be useful to draft the text of the charter
13:42:59 <kaz> s/revisit/clarify/
13:43:04 <kaz> i/We should/
13:43:12 <kaz> i/We should/scribenick: Ege/
13:43:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:43:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:43:53 <Ege_> mm: Let me update this, we have to clarify how we handle them
13:44:17 <Ege_> q+
13:44:21 <kaz> ack k
13:44:31 <kaz> s/topic: IANA Entry for Discovery/subtopic: IANA Entry for Discovery/
13:44:43 <kaz> s/topic: DID Entry/subtopic: DID Entry/
13:44:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:44:57 <kaz> q+
13:45:16 <kaz> ack e
13:46:44 <Ege_> ek: Will we discuss arch update for the new charter? maybe tomorrow?
13:46:54 <Ege_> ml: The agenda is empty at the moment, we can do that
13:47:50 <Ege_> mm: I can also add overall organization
13:48:15 <kaz> ack k
13:48:47 <Ege_> kaz: maybe the first day can be a brainstorming and the other  days focused on the deliverables
13:49:30 <Ege_> mm: we have a coverage gaps file at the use cases repository
13:50:18 <Ege_> mm: we will work on it again on January 10th
13:50:45 <kaz> i/we have a/mm: that's possible but let's see/
13:50:51 <kaz> i/that's/scribenick: kaz/
13:50:59 <kaz> i/we have/scribenick: Ege_/
13:51:04 <kaz> q?
13:51:24 <Ege_> mm: we have some topics in the agenda but we will get back to it after the charter discussion
13:51:37 <Ege_> q+
13:52:42 <Ege_> mk: I am discussing regarding bacnet collaboration but I need some help with the official parts about the liaisons
13:52:50 <Ege_> mm: We need a consistent way to organize that
13:53:26 <kaz> i/I am/topic: Liaisons/
13:53:36 <kaz> s/backnet/BACnet/
13:53:44 <Ege_> mm: so starting with opcua and echonet would help us come up with a template as well
13:53:52 <kaz> q+
13:54:22 <Ege_> mm: I am also looking at Matter at the moment
13:54:37 <Ege_> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978#issuecomment-1359830278
13:55:16 <kaz> q+
13:55:16 <sebastian_> brb
13:55:52 <Ege_> ek: there is IDTA Liaison idea from Sebastian in the issue I have linked above
13:57:00 <Ege_> mm: we should separate the liaisons I guess. Some are protocols other are more like data modelling
13:58:09 <kaz> ack e
13:58:11 <kaz> ack k
13:58:23 <Ege_> mk: I just have the contacts
13:58:32 <Ege_> mk: I cannot represent W3C
13:58:58 <Ege_> q+
13:59:30 <kaz> q+
13:59:38 <sebastian_> back
14:00:39 <sebastian_> time check
14:01:12 <kaz> ack e
14:01:14 <kaz> ack k
14:01:30 <Ege_> ek: I can present the implications of registry track
14:01:46 <Ege_> kaz: we should say what our requirements first, the concrete policy can come later
14:01:58 <kaz> i/I just/kaz: btw, Koster, do you want to establish an official liaison with Matter, BACnet, etc.?/
14:02:06 <Ege_> topic: TF Updates?
14:02:12 <dape> q+
14:02:20 <Ege_> dp: We have decided to make Cristiano a co-chair
14:02:45 <kaz> i/btw/kaz: yeath, that's why I suggested we should clarify our policy and priority for our expected liaisons with related SDOs like OPC, ECHONET and DTDL./
14:02:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:04:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:04:43 <kaz> i/WD to be published af/scribenick: kaz/
14:04:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:05:54 <kaz> s/mm: IANA/IANA/
14:06:34 <kaz> i|DID Entry|mm: The TXT key fields within the IANA registry entry for WoT have been modified./
14:06:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:06:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:07:14 <kaz> s/yeath/yeah/
14:07:18 <kaz> i/that's why/scribenick: kaz/
14:07:31 <kaz> i/I just have/scribenick: Ege_/
14:07:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:07:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:08:12 <kaz> s/co-chair/co-Chair for the Scripting TF/
14:08:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:08:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:09:30 <kaz> s/backnet/BACnet/
14:09:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:09:43 <kaz> s/opcua/OPC UA/
14:09:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:10:16 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:10:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:10:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:13:59 <kaz> i/we can skip/scribenick: kaz/
14:14:06 <kaz> i/we have to igno/scribenick: Ege_/
14:14:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:14:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:16:31 <kaz> i/TXT key/scribenick: kaz/
14:16:44 <kaz> i/we did not define/scribenick: Ege_/
14:16:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-wot-minutes.html kaz
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