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16:02:31 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ Patrick_H_Lauke
16:02:40 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ smaug
16:02:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
16:02:56 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
16:03:05 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
16:03:11 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ScribeNick: Patrick_H_Lauke
16:03:19 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0d3af70c-0054-43dc-9c15-c60c5b9c3f3c/20221221T110000
16:03:35 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: I think Mustaq has done a lot of triaging for us
16:03:52 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: Yes, I've seen a flurry of activity on https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/
16:04:41 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: as an aside, smaug, here's the bookmarks I always have to reopen and refer to for this meeting to remember how to use W3C tools https://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent and https://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
16:08:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Meta-issue: update WPT to cover Pointer Events Level 3 https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/445
16:08:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aclosed+label%3Awpt
16:08:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: Mustaq has done a lot of commenting on these
16:09:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: correct link https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/labels/wpt
16:09:47 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: the last one here https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/457 is a chrome bug, so hoping that Chrome folks will do a test. let me change it to needs-wpt
16:10:42 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: so all the PRs (which are closed, as they were done) that need WPTs are here https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues?q=label%3Aneeds-wpt+
16:11:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: the most worrying one is https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/318 - this has been in spec for 2 years, and nobody has implemented it afaik
16:11:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: need to see if there's a reason for this ... is it because it can't be implemented? not needed anymore?
16:12:32 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: perhaps we need some telemetry data to see how often they're used in non-secure contexts, because if the usage is high, that will be tricky
16:12:57 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: discuss https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/318 in the new year and see what the situation is/why it's not been implemented
16:14:22 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Heartbeat: Clarify what the target of the click event should be after capturing pointer events https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/356
16:14:42 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: don't think there's been any activity. We probably should also discuss this in the new year, because this is the last hanging item
16:15:25 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Olli: it would be good to get Apple people's take on this
16:15:50 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: maybe we can prod them in the new year. but otherwise we need to make a decision here on how to proceed either way
16:17:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: perhaps see if we can reach out to Jen Simmons who is pushing the public face of Apple's web standards developer outreach, or perhaps Antoine Quint https://github.com/graouts
16:17:56 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: reach out to Apple in new year to get feedback on #356
16:17:56 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/356 : Clarify what the target of the click event should be after capturing pointer events
16:24:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> [some more general discussion about the state we're in with other issues marked for future, and how they'll be quite valuable to look at once PE3 is out - either for a PE4, or a PE living standard]
16:24:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: if there's nothing else, I'd say have a relaxing break, and we'll reconvene in the new year for the next meeting
16:24:37 <Patrick_H_Lauke> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
16:24:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:24:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-pointerevents-minutes.html Patrick_H_Lauke
16:25:07 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:25:15 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, bye
16:25:15 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
16:25:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: discuss https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/318 in the new year and see what the situation is/why it's not been implemented [1]
16:25:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-pointerevents-irc#T16-12-57
16:25:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: reach out to Apple in new year to get feedback on #356 [2]
16:25:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2022/12/21-pointerevents-irc#T16-17-56
16:25:22 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/356 : Clarify what the target of the click event should be after capturing pointer events