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13:05:27 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
13:06:08 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kuniihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:06:17 <kaz> scribenick: dape
13:06:24 <dape> scribe: dape
13:06:35 <kaz> topic: Minutes
13:06:50 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html Dec-7
13:07:43 <dape> <Sebastian walking over minutes>
13:08:24 <dape> MMC: small typo
13:11:01 <dape> SK: Minutes look good
13:11:13 <dape> MMC: Besides minor typos minutes look good
13:11:26 <dape> -> no objections -> minutes approved
13:11:33 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
13:11:44 <dape> SUBTOPIC: CCNC2023 International Workshop on IoT Interoperability and the Web of Things (IIWOT'23)
13:11:54 <dape> -> https://ccnc2023.ieee-ccnc.org/
13:12:15 <dape> SK: McCool is invited to give a 45m keynote speech
13:12:31 <dape> ... could show demos / videos
13:12:42 <dape> MMC: Plan to work on slides this Friday
13:12:50 <dape> ... deep dive
13:13:05 <dape> ... please send me material
13:13:20 <dape> ... will circulate draft soon
13:13:45 <dape> SK: Let's take a look at it next week again
13:14:07 <dape> SK: Ege, what about ex MagentaZuhauseApp
13:14:10 <Ege> q+
13:14:22 <dape> ... can we mention it on the slides?
13:14:52 <dape> SK: Can provide Siemens information to our products
13:14:57 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/blob/main/Presentations/2022/2022-08-WoTCG-Meetup2-MagentaZuhauseApp-Winkler.pdf
13:14:59 <kaz> q+
13:15:04 <kaz> ack e
13:15:24 <dape> Ege: Shall I ask whether I can point people to MagentaZuhauseApp?
13:15:35 <dape> MMC: Yes, maybe they have other / better slides
13:16:05 <dape> ... Ege could start with intro e-mail
13:16:09 <dape> SK: Makes sense
13:16:34 <dape> Kaz: We can mention Siemens, Takanaka etc
13:16:52 <dape> ... using TPAC slides
13:17:11 <dape> MMC: Maybe Takanaka can give me some slides I can use
13:17:32 <kaz> ack k
13:17:38 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Cancellations and updates
13:17:45 <dape> SK: TestFest this week
13:17:53 <dape> ... no call on Friday
13:18:03 <dape> ... all task force meetings are cancelled
13:18:11 <kaz> i|TestF|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
13:19:14 <dape> ... use-case call planned for next week Tuesday
13:19:26 <dape> ... new WebEx provided
13:19:37 <dape> ... be aware of that
13:19:52 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Testfest updates
13:20:08 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.12.Online
13:20:18 <dape> MMC: Pending PRs
13:20:26 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:20:28 <dape> ... we are making good process on TD
13:20:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:20:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:20:38 <dape> ... new input on Discovery and Profile also
13:20:48 <dape> TOPIC: Publications
13:21:05 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
13:21:11 <dape> SK: Received feedback from W3M
13:21:37 <dape> ... got feedback that TD CR request is okay
13:22:01 <dape> ... TAG and Security review has been solved/closed
13:22:37 <dape> MMC: Suggest to close Arch#809
13:23:03 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809 @@@
13:23:17 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809
13:23:36 <McCool_> proposal: close issue 809 in the architecture repo: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809 and proceed with CR transition
13:23:42 <kaz> s|@@@|wot-architecture issue 809 - Fix normative references / convert to informative, where applicable|
13:23:59 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809/||
13:24:20 <McCool_> resolution: close issue 809 in the architecture repo: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809 and proceed with CR transition
13:24:41 <dape> SK: w.r.t Discovery
13:24:52 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/465
13:25:15 <dape> MMC: issue with older SSE reference... now pointing to living HTML document
13:25:42 <dape> ... I created a PR#446 in wot-discovery
13:25:46 <kaz> q?
13:25:50 <kaz> q+ mlagally
13:25:55 <kaz> q+
13:25:59 <kaz> ack ml
13:26:07 <dape> ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/446
13:26:22 <dape> ML: Would like to check what we use in Profile
13:26:25 <McCool_> proposal: merge https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/446 and proceed with CR transition for WoT Discovery
13:26:46 <kaz> q-
13:27:24 <dape> ML: We use https://www.w3.org/TR/eventsource/
13:27:34 <dape> ... in Profile
13:27:44 <kaz> q+
13:27:45 <dape> MMC: HTML contains now SSE
13:28:51 <dape> MMC: Any objection?
13:29:04 <dape> ML: No, it's fine
13:29:23 <dape> Kaz: Okay with the change
13:29:40 <dape> ... for Architecture document we used HTML as reference
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13:29:53 <kaz> "Server-Sent Events [HTML]."
13:29:54 <mlagally> q?
13:30:16 <dape> ... suggest to use the same for discovery
13:30:30 <dape> MMC: That's what we are doing also
13:30:45 <dape> ... anyhow, should check other documents as well
13:31:07 <McCool_> resolution: merge https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/446 and proceed with CR transition for WoT Discovery
13:31:43 <dape> MMC: Will ping Ralph that we are ready
13:31:53 <kaz> s/as reference/as reference name/
13:31:57 <kaz> q-
13:31:58 <dape> SK: Great
13:31:58 <kaz> q+
13:32:17 <dape> SK: Publication Dec 15?
13:32:33 <dape> Kaz: Need to re-run checkers
13:32:37 <mlagally> q+
13:32:49 <dape> ... might take a bit longer.. will let you know
13:32:50 <kaz> ack k
13:32:52 <dape> SK: Thanks!
13:33:03 <McCool_> q+
13:33:18 <kaz> q+
13:33:18 <dape> ML: Working draft for Profile is due
13:33:26 <kaz> s/ping Ralph/ping PLH/
13:33:31 <kaz> ack ml
13:33:51 <dape> ... hope we can publish before christmas break
13:34:00 <kaz> ack mc
13:34:05 <dape> SK: dedicated topic on agenda.. we will come back to it
13:34:36 <dape> Kaz: Ralph is busy these days. PLH works on director decisions
13:35:09 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Testimonials
13:35:42 <dape> SK: Please check whether your testimonials are up-to-date
13:35:42 <kaz> s/decisions/decisions, so please mention PLH and Yves as well as Ralph (as you already did on the Transition Requests)./
13:35:52 <dape> MMC: We have 6 testimonials
13:36:00 <dape> ... some are just copies of last year
13:36:14 <dape> ... need AC rep to approve them
13:36:24 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:36:46 <kaz> q+
13:37:24 <dape> s/6 testimonials/7 testimonials
13:37:49 <dape> MMC: testimonial should cover all specs, Arch, TD and Discovery
13:38:05 <dape> ... or being generic might be useful also
13:38:21 <dape> MMC: Oracle is missing?
13:38:28 <kaz> q?
13:38:28 <dape> ... WebThing is missing also
13:38:36 <kaz> qq+ mlagally
13:38:47 <dape> ML: Wonder whether we need details. Suggest to be generic
13:39:17 <dape> MMC: could talk about "the WoT specifications"
13:39:34 <dape> SK: Testimonial is shared in test report.. not for press release
13:40:25 <mlagally> q+
13:40:39 <mlagally> q-
13:40:40 <mlagally> q+
13:40:44 <dape> MMC: Not clear whether we have a single testimonial for all CRs or a dedicated one
13:40:54 <dape> ... is there an official policy?
13:41:19 <dape> Kaz: Putting in each impl report is done usually
13:41:27 <dape> ... however we can decide
13:41:52 <dape> ... process does not define were to put testimonial
13:42:04 <dape> MMC: I suggest to discuss this in testing call
13:42:21 <dape> Kaz: We should be aware that we might want to issue press release as well
13:42:48 <kaz> s/issue/issue a/
13:42:48 <dape> MMC: We can ask AC reps for both purposes
13:42:52 <kaz> ack k
13:43:07 <dape> SK: Request, please check with your AC rep
13:43:18 <mlagally> q-
13:43:20 <kaz> s/were to put/where to put/
13:43:26 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Other notes
13:43:31 <dape> SK: IANA registration?
13:43:38 <kaz> s/put testimonial/put testimonials/
13:43:46 <dape> MMC: Half done.. we are waiting
13:43:55 <dape> ... DID is in process
13:44:02 <dape> TOPIC: Profile
13:44:29 <dape> MMC: We have draft, see https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/publication/2-wd/Overview.html
13:44:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:44:35 <dape> ... we miss changelog
13:45:05 <dape> ... I created PR#337
13:45:17 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
13:45:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:45:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:45:39 <dape> ... PR contains change-log
13:46:20 <dape> ML: I am reviewing the change log right now
13:46:44 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/337 wot-profile PR 337 - Prepare 2-WD Release (phase 1)
13:46:45 <dape> ... happy with merging it
13:46:48 <kaz> q+
13:47:23 <dape> Kaz: Several PRs?
13:47:34 <dape> MMC: Yes, but only first one had change log
13:47:43 <McCool_> proposal: accept the change log added in https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/337 for WoT Profile and proceed with WD publication based on the current draft in publication/2-wd
13:48:40 <McCool_> resolution: accept the change log added in https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/337 for WoT Profile and proceed with WD publication based on the current draft in publication/2-wd
13:48:57 <dape> MMC: I think we are ready now
13:49:22 <dape> Kaz: Close issue 338 ?
13:49:26 <dape> MMC: Correct
13:49:47 <dape> Kaz: Continue to work on publication
13:49:53 <dape> SK: Thanks!
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13:50:39 <dape> TOPIC: Extension plan
13:50:48 <dape> SK: I think we are mostly on time
13:51:04 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:51:16 <kaz> q+
13:51:23 <dape> TOPIC: New WG Charter
13:51:45 <dape> SK: Special week, Jan 16-18 to complete a finalized new WG charter
13:51:53 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Deliverable_and_F2F_Meeting_Plan
13:52:08 <kaz> s/Extension plan/Schedule updates/
13:52:13 <kaz> ack k
13:52:27 <kaz> s/plan.md/publication schedule/
13:52:37 <dape> SK: Please use GitHub to provide issues/comments
13:53:05 <dape> SK: Binding will be a major topic in new charter
13:53:11 <kaz> q+
13:53:15 <dape> ... OPCUA, ECHONET, BACnet, ...
13:53:20 <Ege> q+
13:53:46 <dape> Kaz: WebEx for special meeting has been allocated already
13:54:02 <dape> ... information is on wiki and in your inbox
13:54:05 <kaz> s/Meeting_Plan/Meeting_Plan Special Meetings for Charter discussion/
13:54:15 <kaz> ack k
13:54:26 <kaz> q+
13:54:37 <dape> TOPIC: CG topics
13:54:56 <dape> Ege: conflict with tomorrows TestFest call?
13:55:04 <dape> Kaz: Skip CG meeting?
13:55:33 <dape> MMC: Invitation got out to many people ... difficult to re-schedule
13:55:48 <dape> ML: Conflict if we change TestFest
13:56:06 <dape> Kaz: Ege is essential for TestFest as well
13:56:21 <dape> MMC: Let's have testing call next week
13:56:51 <dape> Ege: next time it would be better to have TestFest calls at the same time over the week
13:57:00 <dape> MMC: People had conflicts
13:57:50 <mlagally> q+
13:57:56 <kaz> ack e
13:57:57 <kaz> ack k
13:58:06 <kaz> q+
13:58:08 <dape> ... we will have both calls.. Ege will be in CG call
13:58:25 <dape> MMC: I think CG call is important
13:58:41 <dape> ... we can catch up with Ege in next TestFest call
13:58:54 <kaz> ack ml
13:59:22 <dape> Ege: Putting CG event in WG calendar would be an alternative... we could see it easier next time
13:59:35 <dape> MMC: Maybe cross posting it
13:59:43 <dape> ... need WoT "view" feature
14:00:05 <dape> Kaz: Do not like to mix up calendars
14:00:33 <dape> ... Can also cancel TestFest call
14:00:48 <dape> MMC: lot to do in TestFest call also without Ege
14:01:34 <dape> Ege: I can make the testing call next week
14:01:38 <kaz> ack k
14:01:47 <dape> SK: Let's have both calls
14:02:35 <kaz> q+
14:02:52 <dape> MMC: We might need another TestFest end of January
14:03:02 <dape> q?
14:03:18 <kaz> ack k
14:03:19 <dape> Kaz: Please make sure avoiding conflicts
14:03:26 <dape> SK/MMC: Agree
14:03:32 <kaz> s/conflicts/conflicts in the future./
14:03:42 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
14:03:52 <dape> SK: Important topics since we are late?
14:04:08 <dape> Ege: FYI, lot of marketing invites to clean-up links
14:04:16 <dape> ... should not happen again
14:04:38 <dape> MMC: Note: different WebEx for TestFest
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14:06:28 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:07:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:07:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
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