IRC log of wot on 2022-12-14
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-irc
- 13:05:27 [kaz]
- meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kuniihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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- scribenick: dape
- 13:06:24 [dape]
- scribe: dape
- 13:06:35 [kaz]
- topic: Minutes
- 13:06:50 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2022/12/07-wot-minutes.html Dec-7
- 13:07:43 [dape]
- <Sebastian walking over minutes>
- 13:08:24 [dape]
- MMC: small typo
- 13:11:01 [dape]
- SK: Minutes look good
- 13:11:13 [dape]
- MMC: Besides minor typos minutes look good
- 13:11:26 [dape]
- -> no objections -> minutes approved
- 13:11:33 [dape]
- TOPIC: Quick updates
- 13:11:44 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: CCNC2023 International Workshop on IoT Interoperability and the Web of Things (IIWOT'23)
- 13:11:54 [dape]
- -> https://ccnc2023.ieee-ccnc.org/
- 13:12:15 [dape]
- SK: McCool is invited to give a 45m keynote speech
- 13:12:31 [dape]
- ... could show demos / videos
- 13:12:42 [dape]
- MMC: Plan to work on slides this Friday
- 13:12:50 [dape]
- ... deep dive
- 13:13:05 [dape]
- ... please send me material
- 13:13:20 [dape]
- ... will circulate draft soon
- 13:13:45 [dape]
- SK: Let's take a look at it next week again
- 13:14:07 [dape]
- SK: Ege, what about ex MagentaZuhauseApp
- 13:14:10 [Ege]
- q+
- 13:14:22 [dape]
- ... can we mention it on the slides?
- 13:14:52 [dape]
- SK: Can provide Siemens information to our products
- 13:14:57 [Ege]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot-cg/blob/main/Presentations/2022/2022-08-WoTCG-Meetup2-MagentaZuhauseApp-Winkler.pdf
- 13:14:59 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:15:04 [kaz]
- ack e
- 13:15:24 [dape]
- Ege: Shall I ask whether I can point people to MagentaZuhauseApp?
- 13:15:35 [dape]
- MMC: Yes, maybe they have other / better slides
- 13:16:05 [dape]
- ... Ege could start with intro e-mail
- 13:16:09 [dape]
- SK: Makes sense
- 13:16:34 [dape]
- Kaz: We can mention Siemens, Takanaka etc
- 13:16:52 [dape]
- ... using TPAC slides
- 13:17:11 [dape]
- MMC: Maybe Takanaka can give me some slides I can use
- 13:17:32 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:17:38 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: Cancellations and updates
- 13:17:45 [dape]
- SK: TestFest this week
- 13:17:53 [dape]
- ... no call on Friday
- 13:18:03 [dape]
- ... all task force meetings are cancelled
- 13:18:11 [kaz]
- i|TestF|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
- 13:19:14 [dape]
- ... use-case call planned for next week Tuesday
- 13:19:26 [dape]
- ... new WebEx provided
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- ... be aware of that
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- SUBTOPIC: Testfest updates
- 13:20:08 [dape]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2022.12.Online
- 13:20:18 [dape]
- MMC: Pending PRs
- 13:20:26 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 13:20:28 [dape]
- ... we are making good process on TD
- 13:20:30 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:20:30 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:20:38 [dape]
- ... new input on Discovery and Profile also
- 13:20:48 [dape]
- TOPIC: Publications
- 13:21:05 [kaz]
- chair: Sebastian/McCool
- 13:21:11 [dape]
- SK: Received feedback from W3M
- 13:21:37 [dape]
- ... got feedback that TD CR request is okay
- 13:22:01 [dape]
- ... TAG and Security review has been solved/closed
- 13:22:37 [dape]
- MMC: Suggest to close Arch#809
- 13:23:03 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809 @@@
- 13:23:17 [sebastian]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809
- 13:23:36 [McCool_]
- proposal: close issue 809 in the architecture repo: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809 and proceed with CR transition
- 13:23:42 [kaz]
- s|@@@|wot-architecture issue 809 - Fix normative references / convert to informative, where applicable|
- 13:23:59 [kaz]
- s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809/||
- 13:24:20 [McCool_]
- resolution: close issue 809 in the architecture repo: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/809 and proceed with CR transition
- 13:24:41 [dape]
- SK: w.r.t Discovery
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/465
- 13:25:15 [dape]
- MMC: issue with older SSE reference... now pointing to living HTML document
- 13:25:42 [dape]
- ... I created a PR#446 in wot-discovery
- 13:25:46 [kaz]
- q?
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- q+ mlagally
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- q+
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- ack ml
- 13:26:07 [dape]
- ... https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/446
- 13:26:22 [dape]
- ML: Would like to check what we use in Profile
- 13:26:25 [McCool_]
- proposal: merge https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/446 and proceed with CR transition for WoT Discovery
- 13:26:46 [kaz]
- q-
- 13:27:24 [dape]
- ML: We use https://www.w3.org/TR/eventsource/
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- ... in Profile
- 13:27:44 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:27:45 [dape]
- MMC: HTML contains now SSE
- 13:28:51 [dape]
- MMC: Any objection?
- 13:29:04 [dape]
- ML: No, it's fine
- 13:29:23 [dape]
- Kaz: Okay with the change
- 13:29:40 [dape]
- ... for Architecture document we used HTML as reference
- 13:29:42 [mlagally]
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- 13:29:53 [kaz]
- "Server-Sent Events [HTML]."
- 13:29:54 [mlagally]
- q?
- 13:30:16 [dape]
- ... suggest to use the same for discovery
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- MMC: That's what we are doing also
- 13:30:45 [dape]
- ... anyhow, should check other documents as well
- 13:31:07 [McCool_]
- resolution: merge https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/446 and proceed with CR transition for WoT Discovery
- 13:31:43 [dape]
- MMC: Will ping Ralph that we are ready
- 13:31:53 [kaz]
- s/as reference/as reference name/
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- q-
- 13:31:58 [dape]
- SK: Great
- 13:31:58 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:32:17 [dape]
- SK: Publication Dec 15?
- 13:32:33 [dape]
- Kaz: Need to re-run checkers
- 13:32:37 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:32:49 [dape]
- ... might take a bit longer.. will let you know
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- ack k
- 13:32:52 [dape]
- SK: Thanks!
- 13:33:03 [McCool_]
- q+
- 13:33:18 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:33:18 [dape]
- ML: Working draft for Profile is due
- 13:33:26 [kaz]
- s/ping Ralph/ping PLH/
- 13:33:31 [kaz]
- ack ml
- 13:33:51 [dape]
- ... hope we can publish before christmas break
- 13:34:00 [kaz]
- ack mc
- 13:34:05 [dape]
- SK: dedicated topic on agenda.. we will come back to it
- 13:34:36 [dape]
- Kaz: Ralph is busy these days. PLH works on director decisions
- 13:35:09 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: Testimonials
- 13:35:42 [dape]
- SK: Please check whether your testimonials are up-to-date
- 13:35:42 [kaz]
- s/decisions/decisions, so please mention PLH and Yves as well as Ralph (as you already did on the Transition Requests)./
- 13:35:52 [dape]
- MMC: We have 6 testimonials
- 13:36:00 [dape]
- ... some are just copies of last year
- 13:36:14 [dape]
- ... need AC rep to approve them
- 13:36:24 [kaz]
- present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
- 13:36:46 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:37:24 [dape]
- s/6 testimonials/7 testimonials
- 13:37:49 [dape]
- MMC: testimonial should cover all specs, Arch, TD and Discovery
- 13:38:05 [dape]
- ... or being generic might be useful also
- 13:38:21 [dape]
- MMC: Oracle is missing?
- 13:38:28 [kaz]
- q?
- 13:38:28 [dape]
- ... WebThing is missing also
- 13:38:36 [kaz]
- qq+ mlagally
- 13:38:47 [dape]
- ML: Wonder whether we need details. Suggest to be generic
- 13:39:17 [dape]
- MMC: could talk about "the WoT specifications"
- 13:39:34 [dape]
- SK: Testimonial is shared in test report.. not for press release
- 13:40:25 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:40:39 [mlagally]
- q-
- 13:40:40 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:40:44 [dape]
- MMC: Not clear whether we have a single testimonial for all CRs or a dedicated one
- 13:40:54 [dape]
- ... is there an official policy?
- 13:41:19 [dape]
- Kaz: Putting in each impl report is done usually
- 13:41:27 [dape]
- ... however we can decide
- 13:41:52 [dape]
- ... process does not define were to put testimonial
- 13:42:04 [dape]
- MMC: I suggest to discuss this in testing call
- 13:42:21 [dape]
- Kaz: We should be aware that we might want to issue press release as well
- 13:42:48 [kaz]
- s/issue/issue a/
- 13:42:48 [dape]
- MMC: We can ask AC reps for both purposes
- 13:42:52 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:43:07 [dape]
- SK: Request, please check with your AC rep
- 13:43:18 [mlagally]
- q-
- 13:43:20 [kaz]
- s/were to put/where to put/
- 13:43:26 [dape]
- SUBTOPIC: Other notes
- 13:43:31 [dape]
- SK: IANA registration?
- 13:43:38 [kaz]
- s/put testimonial/put testimonials/
- 13:43:46 [dape]
- MMC: Half done.. we are waiting
- 13:43:55 [dape]
- ... DID is in process
- 13:44:02 [dape]
- TOPIC: Profile
- 13:44:29 [dape]
- MMC: We have draft, see https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/publication/2-wd/Overview.html
- 13:44:33 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:44:33 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:44:35 [dape]
- ... we miss changelog
- 13:45:05 [dape]
- ... I created PR#337
- 13:45:17 [kaz]
- present+ Michael_Lagally
- 13:45:20 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:45:20 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
- 13:45:39 [dape]
- ... PR contains change-log
- 13:46:20 [dape]
- ML: I am reviewing the change log right now
- 13:46:44 [kaz]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/337 wot-profile PR 337 - Prepare 2-WD Release (phase 1)
- 13:46:45 [dape]
- ... happy with merging it
- 13:46:48 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:47:23 [dape]
- Kaz: Several PRs?
- 13:47:34 [dape]
- MMC: Yes, but only first one had change log
- 13:47:43 [McCool_]
- proposal: accept the change log added in https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/337 for WoT Profile and proceed with WD publication based on the current draft in publication/2-wd
- 13:48:40 [McCool_]
- resolution: accept the change log added in https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/337 for WoT Profile and proceed with WD publication based on the current draft in publication/2-wd
- 13:48:57 [dape]
- MMC: I think we are ready now
- 13:49:22 [dape]
- Kaz: Close issue 338 ?
- 13:49:26 [dape]
- MMC: Correct
- 13:49:47 [dape]
- Kaz: Continue to work on publication
- 13:49:53 [dape]
- SK: Thanks!
- 13:50:34 [ktoumura]
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- 13:50:39 [dape]
- TOPIC: Extension plan
- 13:50:48 [dape]
- SK: I think we are mostly on time
- 13:51:04 [dape]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md
- 13:51:16 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:51:23 [dape]
- TOPIC: New WG Charter
- 13:51:45 [dape]
- SK: Special week, Jan 16-18 to complete a finalized new WG charter
- 13:51:53 [dape]
- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Deliverable_and_F2F_Meeting_Plan
- 13:52:08 [kaz]
- s/Extension plan/Schedule updates/
- 13:52:13 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:52:27 [kaz]
- s/plan.md/publication schedule/
- 13:52:37 [dape]
- SK: Please use GitHub to provide issues/comments
- 13:53:05 [dape]
- SK: Binding will be a major topic in new charter
- 13:53:11 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:53:15 [dape]
- ... OPCUA, ECHONET, BACnet, ...
- 13:53:20 [Ege]
- q+
- 13:53:46 [dape]
- Kaz: WebEx for special meeting has been allocated already
- 13:54:02 [dape]
- ... information is on wiki and in your inbox
- 13:54:05 [kaz]
- s/Meeting_Plan/Meeting_Plan Special Meetings for Charter discussion/
- 13:54:15 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:54:26 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:54:37 [dape]
- TOPIC: CG topics
- 13:54:56 [dape]
- Ege: conflict with tomorrows TestFest call?
- 13:55:04 [dape]
- Kaz: Skip CG meeting?
- 13:55:33 [dape]
- MMC: Invitation got out to many people ... difficult to re-schedule
- 13:55:48 [dape]
- ML: Conflict if we change TestFest
- 13:56:06 [dape]
- Kaz: Ege is essential for TestFest as well
- 13:56:21 [dape]
- MMC: Let's have testing call next week
- 13:56:51 [dape]
- Ege: next time it would be better to have TestFest calls at the same time over the week
- 13:57:00 [dape]
- MMC: People had conflicts
- 13:57:50 [mlagally]
- q+
- 13:57:56 [kaz]
- ack e
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- ack k
- 13:58:06 [kaz]
- q+
- 13:58:08 [dape]
- ... we will have both calls.. Ege will be in CG call
- 13:58:25 [dape]
- MMC: I think CG call is important
- 13:58:41 [dape]
- ... we can catch up with Ege in next TestFest call
- 13:58:54 [kaz]
- ack ml
- 13:59:22 [dape]
- Ege: Putting CG event in WG calendar would be an alternative... we could see it easier next time
- 13:59:35 [dape]
- MMC: Maybe cross posting it
- 13:59:43 [dape]
- ... need WoT "view" feature
- 14:00:05 [dape]
- Kaz: Do not like to mix up calendars
- 14:00:33 [dape]
- ... Can also cancel TestFest call
- 14:00:48 [dape]
- MMC: lot to do in TestFest call also without Ege
- 14:01:34 [dape]
- Ege: I can make the testing call next week
- 14:01:38 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:01:47 [dape]
- SK: Let's have both calls
- 14:02:35 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:02:52 [dape]
- MMC: We might need another TestFest end of January
- 14:03:02 [dape]
- q?
- 14:03:18 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:03:19 [dape]
- Kaz: Please make sure avoiding conflicts
- 14:03:26 [dape]
- SK/MMC: Agree
- 14:03:32 [kaz]
- s/conflicts/conflicts in the future./
- 14:03:42 [dape]
- TOPIC: TF Reports
- 14:03:52 [dape]
- SK: Important topics since we are late?
- 14:04:08 [dape]
- Ege: FYI, lot of marketing invites to clean-up links
- 14:04:16 [dape]
- ... should not happen again
- 14:04:38 [dape]
- MMC: Note: different WebEx for TestFest
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- 14:06:28 [kaz]
- [adjourned]
- 14:07:05 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
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