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18:58:25 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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19:03:07 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-13%2C-2022-Agenda
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19:04:52 <jongund> TOPIC: Next meeting
19:05:03 <jongund> JK: Next year is our next meeting
19:05:20 <jongund> MK: I have a risk qwith 10 January meeting
19:06:02 <jongund> MK: Bocup contract should be in place for next year
19:06:22 <jongund> TOPIC: PR 2417
19:06:31 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2417
19:06:52 <jongund> MK: All the reviews are done, and it is in the publication branch, Alex can you explain
19:07:19 <jongund> Alex: I am not sure what the error was in publishing
19:07:39 <jongund> Alex: Steve said he will let me know, he said now it works in testing
19:08:01 <jongund> Alex: Since SH did not share the exact error, it might be an environment issue
19:08:15 <jongund> Alex: Not a simple situation
19:08:27 <jongund> MK: We might be able to delpoy later this week
19:09:04 <jongund> Alex: I did put Thursday as the date, hopefully Steve can help
19:09:23 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/pull/174
19:09:25 <jongund> MK: here are 70 some redirects, so we need to work with this other person
19:09:53 <jongund> MK: A bunch of pages are going to change URL, but it all needs to happen at the same time
19:10:01 <jongund> MK: It may go live this week
19:10:09 <jongund> Alex: I really want it to go live
19:10:12 <jongund> MK: Me too
19:10:27 <jongund> MK: We need to make sure there are no new merges in to the APG
19:10:55 <jongund> Alex: Any new merges would be not the significant, so I think it would be ok
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19:12:05 <Jem> Topic: Design Update and Implementation Schedule
19:12:48 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2535
19:13:57 <isaacdurazo> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2535
19:14:34 <Jem> isaac has updated version on the issue 2535
19:27:27 <Jem> Group talked about having new wai template which can accomodate left section, not hacking the existing wai template.
19:27:55 <Jem> Alex will look into how to suggest new APG template to update patterns page.
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19:29:22 <jongund> JK Wrap up the design an what can be done
19:29:38 <jongund> JK: WAI template does not accomodate the left section
19:29:55 <jongund> MK: I added an issue, let's avoid hacks
19:30:09 <jongund> TOPIC: New about page
19:30:20 <jongund> MK: I have a draft PR for the about page
19:30:28 <jongund> PR#2558
19:31:07 <jongund> MK: We might need to talk about this next years, we need to apply the new list view to the about page
19:31:29 <jongund> MK: We do not have a preview link for this page yet
19:31:30 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2423
19:31:44 <jongund> AF: We need to get the preview links updated first
19:31:59 <jongund> MK: If I merge this and then rebase, will it appear
19:32:15 <jongund> AF: I should work
19:32:26 <jongund> AF: It should work
19:32:55 <jongund> MK: I would love it if we could get the design implemented so we could preview if soon
19:33:58 <jongund> MK: It will have a standalone intro, separate acknowledgements, and more separate pages
19:34:24 <jongund> MK: There is going to be some content for people to review
19:34:48 <jongund> AF: Changes to the URL strucutr will require some changes to the APG repo
19:35:05 <jongund> MK: Becasue we are adding in new pages?
19:35:21 <jongund> AF: The new pages and the cards
19:35:57 <jongund> MK: Let's coordinate on those things, but let's work on a preview before the end of the year
19:36:27 <jongund> MK: There will need to be reviewers for the changes
19:36:52 <jongund> MK: There is thumbs up between the cards and list view
19:37:10 <jongund> MK: Will it be another template thing?
19:37:29 <jongund> AF: That all within main so we have total control
19:37:32 <isaacdurazo> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2534
19:38:35 <jongund> MK: So we have the read this first and then we are going to have ... what we want wrapped around that for accessibility
19:39:08 <jongund> MK: We have the heading for the very first practice, so we are going to sandwich something between there
19:39:20 <jongund> Issac: It belongs to the list of patterns
19:39:30 <jongund> MK: A screen reader user can't
19:39:45 <jongund> MK: MK: We could have an off screen H2
19:40:15 <jongund> ID: There is something to tthe list of patterns
19:40:42 <jongund> I need to leave again for a few minutes
19:43:40 <jongund> I am back
19:43:56 <jongund> MK: The placeholder would be redundant
19:44:07 <jongund> ID: Can that label be off screen
19:44:46 <jongund> MK: WHat would people do
19:45:04 <jongund> MM: Consisten visible label, no off screen
19:45:19 <jongund> ID: What is the reason for the persistent label?
19:45:53 <jongund> MM: It enhances for everyone
19:46:30 <jongund> JG: I think placeholder is bad, use visible label
19:46:42 <jongund> MK: I think this can move up in the list
19:49:05 <jongund> MK: Will span with role=header be detected by skipto
19:49:21 <jongund> JG: The current script will not, but 5.1 it should
19:49:59 <jongund> MK: The visible label for the filter field will be styled a little different
19:50:17 <jongund> MK: Is it a problem to put a different class on the h2
19:50:25 <jongund> AF: we can do that
19:50:43 <jongund> TOPIC: AT Support tables
19:51:11 <jongund> MK: JAWS 2023 will not be released until next week
19:51:29 <jongund> MK: We will only have Jaws 2022 results for button and ...
19:51:43 <jongund> MK: This a high priority
19:52:00 <jongund> AF: The first priority is the support levels
19:52:06 <jongund> MK: Exactly
19:52:27 <jongund> AF: My vision is limted right now
19:52:38 <jongund> MK: Is there an ETS for the support tables
19:52:55 <jongund> AF: There is a meeting today to talk about the implementation
19:53:03 <jongund> AF: About a week
19:53:16 <jongund> MK: Can people sign up for a review for the preview
19:53:23 <jongund> JK: I can
19:53:27 <jongund> JG: I can
19:53:40 <jongund> MK: So that is all we need for this topic
19:54:00 <jongund> TOPIC: Rating slider
19:54:20 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2501
19:55:57 <Jem> discussion of deprecating the rating slider
19:57:14 <Jem> jon: the goal of example is showing how to use ARIA.
19:58:17 <Jem> mck: how about 10 rating example?
19:58:47 <Jem> jon: radio pattern just use arrow key,
19:59:16 <Jem> rating slider can use home and end button
19:59:51 <Jem> ...rating scale is the scale, not radio selecton
20:00:22 <Jem> mck: how about modifying the rating scale as 10 point ones.
20:00:37 <Jem> jon: I can modify the example as more of rating survey
20:00:55 <Jem> mck: I don't enjoy the radio rating in the table
20:01:46 <Jem> mck: in 10 radio scale, you can easily jump into the middle point but rating example can do that.
20:02:42 <Jem> jon: making rating slide be more rating scale would be the compelling example.
20:03:28 <Jem> ... then we can differentiate two examples between raido and slide with X factor and show new features can be used for other use case.
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