IRC log of aria-apg on 2022-12-13

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MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-13%2C-2022-Agenda
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TOPIC: Next meeting
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JK: Next year is our next meeting
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MK: I have a risk qwith 10 January meeting
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MK: Bocup contract should be in place for next year
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TOPIC: PR 2417
19:06:31 [Jem]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2417
19:06:52 [jongund]
MK: All the reviews are done, and it is in the publication branch, Alex can you explain
19:07:19 [jongund]
Alex: I am not sure what the error was in publishing
19:07:39 [jongund]
Alex: Steve said he will let me know, he said now it works in testing
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Alex: Since SH did not share the exact error, it might be an environment issue
19:08:15 [jongund]
Alex: Not a simple situation
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MK: We might be able to delpoy later this week
19:09:04 [jongund]
Alex: I did put Thursday as the date, hopefully Steve can help
19:09:23 [Jem]
https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/pull/174
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MK: here are 70 some redirects, so we need to work with this other person
19:09:53 [jongund]
MK: A bunch of pages are going to change URL, but it all needs to happen at the same time
19:10:01 [jongund]
MK: It may go live this week
19:10:09 [jongund]
Alex: I really want it to go live
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MK: Me too
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MK: We need to make sure there are no new merges in to the APG
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Alex: Any new merges would be not the significant, so I think it would be ok
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Topic: Design Update and Implementation Schedule
19:12:48 [Jem]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2535
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https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2535
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isaac has updated version on the issue 2535
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Group talked about having new wai template which can accomodate left section, not hacking the existing wai template.
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Alex will look into how to suggest new APG template to update patterns page.
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JK Wrap up the design an what can be done
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JK: WAI template does not accomodate the left section
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MK: I added an issue, let's avoid hacks
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TOPIC: New about page
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MK: I have a draft PR for the about page
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PR#2558
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MK: We might need to talk about this next years, we need to apply the new list view to the about page
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MK: We do not have a preview link for this page yet
19:31:30 [Jem]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2423
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AF: We need to get the preview links updated first
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MK: If I merge this and then rebase, will it appear
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AF: I should work
19:32:26 [jongund]
AF: It should work
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MK: I would love it if we could get the design implemented so we could preview if soon
19:33:58 [jongund]
MK: It will have a standalone intro, separate acknowledgements, and more separate pages
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MK: There is going to be some content for people to review
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AF: Changes to the URL strucutr will require some changes to the APG repo
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MK: Becasue we are adding in new pages?
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AF: The new pages and the cards
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MK: Let's coordinate on those things, but let's work on a preview before the end of the year
19:36:27 [jongund]
MK: There will need to be reviewers for the changes
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MK: There is thumbs up between the cards and list view
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MK: Will it be another template thing?
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AF: That all within main so we have total control
19:37:32 [isaacdurazo]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2534
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MK: So we have the read this first and then we are going to have ... what we want wrapped around that for accessibility
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MK: We have the heading for the very first practice, so we are going to sandwich something between there
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Issac: It belongs to the list of patterns
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MK: A screen reader user can't
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MK: MK: We could have an off screen H2
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ID: There is something to tthe list of patterns
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MK: The placeholder would be redundant
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ID: Can that label be off screen
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MK: WHat would people do
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MM: Consisten visible label, no off screen
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ID: What is the reason for the persistent label?
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MM: It enhances for everyone
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JG: I think placeholder is bad, use visible label
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MK: I think this can move up in the list
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MK: Will span with role=header be detected by skipto
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JG: The current script will not, but 5.1 it should
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MK: The visible label for the filter field will be styled a little different
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MK: Is it a problem to put a different class on the h2
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AF: we can do that
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TOPIC: AT Support tables
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MK: JAWS 2023 will not be released until next week
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MK: We will only have Jaws 2022 results for button and ...
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MK: This a high priority
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AF: The first priority is the support levels
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MK: Exactly
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AF: My vision is limted right now
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MK: Is there an ETS for the support tables
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AF: There is a meeting today to talk about the implementation
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AF: About a week
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MK: Can people sign up for a review for the preview
19:53:23 [jongund]
JK: I can
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JG: I can
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MK: So that is all we need for this topic
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TOPIC: Rating slider
19:54:20 [Jem]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2501
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discussion of deprecating the rating slider
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jon: the goal of example is showing how to use ARIA.
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mck: how about 10 rating example?
19:58:47 [Jem]
jon: radio pattern just use arrow key,
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rating slider can use home and end button
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...rating scale is the scale, not radio selecton
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mck: how about modifying the rating scale as 10 point ones.
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jon: I can modify the example as more of rating survey
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mck: I don't enjoy the radio rating in the table
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mck: in 10 radio scale, you can easily jump into the middle point but rating example can do that.
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jon: making rating slide be more rating scale would be the compelling example.
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... then we can differentiate two examples between raido and slide with X factor and show new features can be used for other use case.
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