Meeting minutes
December into January schedule
Lauriat: Proposal is NOT to meet 23rd and 30th.
Lauriat: But how about Jan 6?
<Chuck> NO call first week of january for AGWG
Chuck: It's a 3 week pause, so also Jan 6
Lauriat: So, since we're presenting Tuesday, should we also take next Friday 16 December off?
<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to discuss feedback
Lauriat: Would make this group's next meeting Friday 13 January
<Lauriat> +1, sounds good
jeanne: We'll have feedback from the Tuesday presentation and should meet to make sure we don't lose it.
<Chuck> +1 to meeting next Friday
Lauriat: OK, we'll keep next Friday.
Tuesday AG WG agenda preview
Lauriat: But after next Friday our next meeting will be Friday 13 January
<jeanne> ACT Rules
jeanne: We're first! Outcomes approach; followed by ACT rules, etc
<jeanne> WCAG 2.2 survey
Finishing up the presentation for Tuesday
<Lauriat> https://
Lauriat: Walks first through overall structure
Lauriat: Asks whether anything to clarify on goals?
Lauriat: PS: Looking at the slide deck ...
[crickets]
Lauriat: moves on ...
jeanne: suggests adjusting from comment on title slide
sarahhorton: Looking at the slides I'm not certain what we're proposing
sarahhorton: We derived outcomes from user needs; believe that's not clear, i.e. we didn't "write them"
sarahhorton: Would like more explicit mapping for what's being proposed
<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to answer sarah
jeanne: Confusion is understandable, because we shifted from our actual tasking
<Rachael> +1 to that wrap up
sarahhorton: asks for an example
<Chuck> +1 to Jeanne's summary
jeanne: We tried, but it didn't work out. So, we never did what we were tasked.
<Lauriat> +1
sarahhorton: Notes we derived outcomes from user needs
jeanne: Suggests adding that
Lauriat: continues with slides ...
Makoto: Notes many clients get lost in 1.1.1, but the decision tree helps immensly for creating alt text
Makoto: Suggests decision tree might be only useful with images; though we can explore other applications
jeanne: appreciates this contribution, gives us something to show
jeanne: suggests interpolating a slide ahead of this one
jeanne: would show progression better, and how we got to our results
<jeanne> User Flows
<Lauriat> +1
Chuck: Conclusions are as Jeanne states; but work done is important to keep and use
<jeanne> +1 to rearranging
<sarahhorton> +1
<Makoto> +1
Lauriat: suggest avoiding two different conclusions
<Chuck> ack
<Lauriat> Big +1 to that framing!
<Chuck> Janina: Along lines of Sarah, Mathew and I both participated in the permissions workshop (virtuall) of this past week. We heard from others...
<Chuck> Janina: Turned it into a slogan, that APA is on board user agents becoming smarter for users. It was coming from others in the group having nothing to do with accessibility.
jeanne: What questions do we have for AGWG?
sarahhorton: Question for this group: is there a proposal here?
Lauriat: Report on our findings which is NOT writing outcomes based on user needs, but deriving as we've found helpful.
<Makoto> +1 to Shawn
Lauriat: We can then describe how we want to continue down this path
sarahhorton: how does this align with other user needs focussed activities?
Lauriat: Phps propose to look at other work to see whether this approach also works there
Lauriat: phps propose a path forward for each
Lauriat: notes distinction between alt tree and audio tree
jeanne: Asks people to make comments by Monday