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14:40:54 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
14:41:38 <jeanne> present:
14:41:38 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
14:41:38 <jeanne> present+
14:41:38 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
14:41:38 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:41:39 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
14:41:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/12/09-silver-minutes.html jeanne
14:41:39 <jeanne> q?
14:42:59 <jeanne> agenda+ December into January schedule
14:42:59 <jeanne> agenda+ Tuesday AG WG agenda preview
14:42:59 <jeanne> agenda+ Finishing up the presentation for Tuesday
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14:52:28 <Lauriat> agenda?
14:52:36 <Lauriat> Present+
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15:00:03 <janina> agenda?
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15:03:29 <janina> scribe+
15:03:42 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up item 1
15:03:42 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- December into January schedule -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:04:14 <janina> Lauriat: Proposal is NOT to meet 23rd and 30th.
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15:04:25 <janina> Lauriat: But how about Jan 6?
15:04:26 <Chuck> NO call first week of january for AGWG
15:04:44 <sarahhorton> present+
15:04:45 <janina> Chuck: It's a 3 week pause, so also Jan 6
15:05:30 <jeanne> q+ to discuss feedback
15:05:30 <janina> Lauriat: So, since we're presenting Tuesday, should we also take next Friday 16 December off?
15:05:34 <Chuck> q+
15:05:40 <Chuck> ack J
15:05:40 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to discuss feedback
15:05:51 <janina> Lauriat: Would make this group's next meeting Friday 13 January
15:06:02 <Chuck> ack Ch
15:06:04 <Lauriat> +1, sounds good
15:06:11 <janina> jeanne: We'll have feedback from the Tuesday presentation and should meet to make sure we don't lose it.
15:06:13 <Chuck> +1 to meeting next Friday
15:06:22 <janina> Lauriat: OK, we'll keep next Friday.
15:06:35 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
15:06:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Tuesday AG WG agenda preview -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:06:43 <janina> Lauriat: But after next Friday our next meeting will be Friday 13 January
15:07:00 <jeanne> Agenda for Tuesday -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022Dec/0005.html
15:07:33 <jeanne> ACT Rules -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/act-dec-2022/
15:07:35 <janina> jeanne: We're first! Outcomes approach; followed by ACT rules, etc
15:07:46 <jeanne> WCAG 2.2 survey -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-misc-normative/
15:08:10 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:08:11 <Lauriat> Zakim, take up next item
15:08:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Finishing up the presentation for Tuesday -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:08:18 <Lauriat> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UpBHL1DBezcFu-IuExakvEYJkWzZwFniE0gelPkDDkI/edit#slide=id.p
15:08:37 <janina> Lauriat: Walks first through overall structure
15:09:01 <janina> Lauriat: Asks whether anything to clarify on goals?
15:09:10 <janina> Lauriat: PS: Looking at the slide deck ...
15:09:52 <janina> [crickets]
15:10:02 <janina> Lauriat: moves on ...
15:10:20 <janina> jeanne: suggests adjusting from comment on title slide
15:10:55 <janina> sarahhorton: Looking at the slides I'm not certain what we're proposing
15:11:33 <janina> sarahhorton: We derived outcomes from user needs; believe that's not clear, i.e. we didn't "write them"
15:11:41 <jeanne> q+ to answer sarah
15:12:11 <janina> sarahhorton: Would like more explicit mapping for what's being proposed
15:12:18 <Lauriat> ack jeanne
15:12:18 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to answer sarah
15:12:58 <janina> jeanne: Confusion is understandable, because we shifted from our actual tasking
15:13:11 <Rachael> +1 to that wrap up
15:13:44 <janina> sarahhorton: asks for an example
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15:14:00 <Chuck> +1 to Jeanne's summary
15:14:13 <janina> jeanne:  We tried, but it didn't work out. So, we never did what we were tasked.
15:15:52 <Lauriat> +1
15:16:05 <janina> sarahhorton: Notes we derived outcomes from user needs
15:16:10 <janina> jeanne: Suggests adding that
15:17:40 <janina> Lauriat: continues with slides ...
15:20:23 <janina> Makoto: Notes many clients get lost in 1.1.1, but the decision tree helps immensly for creating alt text
15:21:10 <janina> Makoto: Suggests decision tree might be only useful with images; though we can explore other applications
15:22:26 <janina> jeanne: appreciates this contribution, gives us something to show
15:22:36 <sarahhorton> q+
15:22:53 <janina> ack sar
15:23:39 <jeanne> q= to suggest including the list of flows as an example
15:24:27 <janina> jeanne: suggests interpolating a slide ahead of this one
15:24:49 <janina> jeanne: would show progression better, and how we got to our results
15:26:08 <Chuck> q+
15:26:13 <jeanne> User Flows -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zLOSUWkXDkT_uyVVKpuidtOF_LLEhaAXJ8v88oM1Wn4/edit#heading=h.knykoqo1suxu
15:26:19 <Chuck> ack Chu
15:27:27 <Lauriat> +1
15:27:29 <janina> Chuck: Conclusions are as Jeanne states; but work done is important to keep and use
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15:35:17 <jeanne> +1 to rearranging
15:35:22 <sarahhorton> +1
15:35:31 <Makoto> +1
15:38:48 <janina> Lauriat: suggest avoiding two different conclusions
15:41:10 <Chuck> q+
15:41:19 <Chuck> ack
15:46:53 <sarahhorton> q+
15:47:24 <Lauriat> ack sarahhorton
15:47:25 <jeanne> ack sarah
15:49:15 <Lauriat> Big +1 to that framing!
15:49:29 <janina> q+
15:50:27 <Chuck> ack Ch
15:50:34 <Lauriat> ack janina
15:50:53 <Chuck> Janina:  Along lines of Sarah, Mathew and I both participated in the permissions workshop (virtuall) of this past week.  We heard from others...
15:51:20 <Chuck> Janina:  Turned it into a slogan, that APA is on board user agents becoming smarter for users.  It was coming from others in the group having nothing to do with accessibility.
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16:00:42 <janina> jeanne: What questions do we have for AGWG?
16:00:55 <janina> sarahhorton: Is there a proposal here?
16:01:35 <janina> s/Is/Question for this group: is/
16:03:13 <janina> Lauriat: Report on our findings which is NOT writing outcomes based on user needs, but deriving as we've found helpful.
16:03:34 <Makoto> +1 to Shawn
16:03:35 <janina> Lauriat: We can then describe how we want to continue down this path
16:05:08 <janina> sarahhorton: how does this align with other user needs focussed activities?
16:05:43 <janina> Lauriat: Phps propose to look at other work to see whether this approach also works there
16:06:38 <jeanne> q+ to ask about decision trees?
16:07:20 <janina> Lauriat: phps propose a path forward for each
16:08:14 <janina> Lauriat: notes distinction between alt tree and audio tree
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16:15:06 <janina> jeanne: Asks people to make comments by Monday
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