IRC log of silver on 2022-12-09

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Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
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present:
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chair: Shawn, jeanne
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present+
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agenda cleared
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q?
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agenda+ December into January schedule
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agenda+ Tuesday AG WG agenda preview
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agenda+ Finishing up the presentation for Tuesday
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agenda?
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Present+
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agenda?
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present+
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scribe+
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Zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1 -- December into January schedule -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:04:14 [janina]
Lauriat: Proposal is NOT to meet 23rd and 30th.
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Lauriat: But how about Jan 6?
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NO call first week of january for AGWG
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present+
15:04:45 [janina]
Chuck: It's a 3 week pause, so also Jan 6
15:05:30 [jeanne]
q+ to discuss feedback
15:05:30 [janina]
Lauriat: So, since we're presenting Tuesday, should we also take next Friday 16 December off?
15:05:34 [Chuck]
q+
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ack J
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jeanne, you wanted to discuss feedback
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Lauriat: Would make this group's next meeting Friday 13 January
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15:06:04 [Lauriat]
+1, sounds good
15:06:11 [janina]
jeanne: We'll have feedback from the Tuesday presentation and should meet to make sure we don't lose it.
15:06:13 [Chuck]
+1 to meeting next Friday
15:06:22 [janina]
Lauriat: OK, we'll keep next Friday.
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Zakim, take up next item
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agendum 2 -- Tuesday AG WG agenda preview -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:06:43 [janina]
Lauriat: But after next Friday our next meeting will be Friday 13 January
15:07:00 [jeanne]
Agenda for Tuesday -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2022Dec/0005.html
15:07:33 [jeanne]
ACT Rules -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/act-dec-2022/
15:07:35 [janina]
jeanne: We're first! Outcomes approach; followed by ACT rules, etc
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WCAG 2.2 survey -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wcag22-misc-normative/
15:08:10 [janina]
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Zakim, take up next item
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agendum 3 -- Finishing up the presentation for Tuesday -- taken up [from jeanne]
15:08:18 [Lauriat]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UpBHL1DBezcFu-IuExakvEYJkWzZwFniE0gelPkDDkI/edit#slide=id.p
15:08:37 [janina]
Lauriat: Walks first through overall structure
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Lauriat: Asks whether anything to clarify on goals?
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Lauriat: PS: Looking at the slide deck ...
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[crickets]
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Lauriat: moves on ...
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jeanne: suggests adjusting from comment on title slide
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sarahhorton: Looking at the slides I'm not certain what we're proposing
15:11:33 [janina]
sarahhorton: We derived outcomes from user needs; believe that's not clear, i.e. we didn't "write them"
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q+ to answer sarah
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sarahhorton: Would like more explicit mapping for what's being proposed
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ack jeanne
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jeanne, you wanted to answer sarah
15:12:58 [janina]
jeanne: Confusion is understandable, because we shifted from our actual tasking
15:13:11 [Rachael]
+1 to that wrap up
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sarahhorton: asks for an example
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+1 to Jeanne's summary
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jeanne: We tried, but it didn't work out. So, we never did what we were tasked.
15:15:52 [Lauriat]
+1
15:16:05 [janina]
sarahhorton: Notes we derived outcomes from user needs
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jeanne: Suggests adding that
15:17:40 [janina]
Lauriat: continues with slides ...
15:20:23 [janina]
Makoto: Notes many clients get lost in 1.1.1, but the decision tree helps immensly for creating alt text
15:21:10 [janina]
Makoto: Suggests decision tree might be only useful with images; though we can explore other applications
15:22:26 [janina]
jeanne: appreciates this contribution, gives us something to show
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q+
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ack sar
15:23:39 [jeanne]
q= to suggest including the list of flows as an example
15:24:27 [janina]
jeanne: suggests interpolating a slide ahead of this one
15:24:49 [janina]
jeanne: would show progression better, and how we got to our results
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User Flows -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zLOSUWkXDkT_uyVVKpuidtOF_LLEhaAXJ8v88oM1Wn4/edit#heading=h.knykoqo1suxu
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ack Chu
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+1
15:27:29 [janina]
Chuck: Conclusions are as Jeanne states; but work done is important to keep and use
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present+
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present+
15:35:17 [jeanne]
+1 to rearranging
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+1
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+1
15:38:48 [janina]
Lauriat: suggest avoiding two different conclusions
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q+
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q+
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ack sarahhorton
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ack sarah
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Big +1 to that framing!
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q+
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ack janina
15:50:53 [Chuck]
Janina: Along lines of Sarah, Mathew and I both participated in the permissions workshop (virtuall) of this past week. We heard from others...
15:51:20 [Chuck]
Janina: Turned it into a slogan, that APA is on board user agents becoming smarter for users. It was coming from others in the group having nothing to do with accessibility.
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15:54:55 [Rachael]
present+
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jeanne: What questions do we have for AGWG?
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sarahhorton: Is there a proposal here?
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s/Is/Question for this group: is/
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Lauriat: Report on our findings which is NOT writing outcomes based on user needs, but deriving as we've found helpful.
16:03:34 [Makoto]
+1 to Shawn
16:03:35 [janina]
Lauriat: We can then describe how we want to continue down this path
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sarahhorton: how does this align with other user needs focussed activities?
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Lauriat: Phps propose to look at other work to see whether this approach also works there
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q+ to ask about decision trees?
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Lauriat: phps propose a path forward for each
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Lauriat: notes distinction between alt tree and audio tree
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jeanne: Asks people to make comments by Monday
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