11:58:46 RRSAgent has joined #wot-profile 11:58:46 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-irc 11:59:15 McCool_ has joined #wot-profile 12:01:28 mlagally has joined #wot-profile 12:02:01 Ege has joined #wot-profile 12:02:23 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/index.php?title=WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf&action=edit§ion=17 12:04:17 present+ Kaz_Ashimura,Michael_Lagally, Ege_Korkan, Michael_McCool 12:04:31 Mizushima has joined #wot-profile 12:07:12 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:07:18 scribenick: Ege 12:07:29 Topic: Agenda 12:07:42 meeting: WoT Architecture/Profile 12:08:07 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_.2B_Profile_-_Nov_30th.2C_2022 Agenda for today 12:08:14 chair: Lagally 12:08:43 q+ 12:09:01 https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/297#issuecomment-1324843743 12:09:18 ml: any changes to the agenda? 12:09:29 ek: The PR 297 seems to have deadlock 12:09:33 ml: we can talk about that too 12:10:19 q+ 12:10:26 ack e 12:10:32 ack k 12:10:37 ml: What is the issue? 12:10:40 ek: it is stated there 12:10:45 topic: Minutes Review 12:10:59 q{ 12:11:02 ryuichi has joined #wot-profile 12:11:02 q} 12:11:04 q+ 12:11:11 subtopic: 23 November 12:11:11 https://www.w3.org/2022/11/23-wot-profile-minutes.html 12:11:29 ack k 12:11:34 kaz: this was reviewed on the 24th 12:12:04 ml: I do not think so 12:12:22 kaz: we should have a policy to review the minutes always on wednesdays or something like this 12:13:21 ml: We should limit inline parts in minutes 12:13:22 q+ 12:13:34 s/this was reviewed on the 24th/the minutes from 23rd meting were reviewed on the 24th, weren't they?/ 12:13:38 q? 12:13:41 ack e 12:13:52 q+ 12:14:35 ml: no objections for the minutes, approved 12:14:46 subtopic: 24 November 12:15:42 ml: anything to change? 12:16:34 i|anything|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/24-wot-arch-minutes.html Nov-24| 12:16:53 s|https://www.w3.org/2022/11/23-wot-profile-minutes.html|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/23-wot-profile-minutes.html Nov-23| 12:16:57 q? 12:16:59 ack k 12:17:03 rrsagent, make log public 12:17:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:17:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:18:01 topic: Pull Requests 12:18:17 subtopic: PR 883 12:18:29 ml: everybody have approved it, thank you Michael McCool 12:19:02 subtopic: PRofile PR 327 12:19:29 ml: what are the automatic tests here? 12:19:53 i|everybody|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/883 wot-architecture PR 883 - Update Implementation Report (add indices, assertions to template)| 12:19:57 mm: we do not have automatic tests for now 12:20:07 ml: Ege can we use existing tooling of TD? 12:20:13 s/subtopic: PR 883/subtopic: Architecture PR 883/ 12:20:14 ek: no without additional implementation 12:20:21 s/PRofile/Profile/ 12:20:27 mm: we can have them in theory 12:20:46 q+ 12:21:35 ack k 12:22:13 i|what are the|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/327 wot-profile PR 327 - Implementation Report Update (indices, assertion text in template.csv)| 12:22:16 ack k 12:22:18 kaz: @@@ 12:23:02 ml: cannot be sure that I will be there at the testing call but it is not so complicated 12:23:20 s/@@@/this time during the current Charter period specifically Profile and Architecture, we should concentrate on clarifying the procedure for the manual tests rather than starting to apply potential tools for this./ 12:23:30 s/kaz:/scribenick: kaz/ 12:23:38 i/cannot/scribenick: Ege/ 12:23:42 rrsagent, make log public 12:23:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:23:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:24:06 ml: we should document the requirement 12:24:21 mm: It is already in the implementation report but we do not say anything about consumer assertions 12:24:29 q+ 12:24:34 s/q{// 12:24:38 s/q}// 12:24:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:24:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:24:43 ack e 12:25:32 i|everybody have|-> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/wot-architecture/38651d6ec79a7f0f2260a32c773c639b8b24fde4/testing/report11.html rendered HTML of the draft Implementation Report for Architecture| 12:26:07 i|what are the auto|-> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/wot-profile/405394a9ffc926fc57273beb525dadd43f919c54/testing/report.html rendered HTML of the draft Implementation Report for Profile| 12:26:07 mm: there is one part that is who implements it but also how to organize the report 12:26:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:26:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:26:56 proposal: to satisfy the W3C requirements to test the implementability of the profile specification, we need two implementations of consumers and things as appropriate. 12:28:40 resolution: to satisfy the W3C requirements to test the implementability of the profile specification, we need at least two implementations of consumers and things as appropriate. 12:29:58 ml: then we can merge the PR 12:30:05 topic: PRs for Architecture 12:30:11 ml: nothing for CR transition 12:31:09 subtopic: PR 854 12:32:32 q+ 12:32:45 ml: we can merge it 12:33:01 subtopic: Issue 850 12:34:03 s/PR 854/Issue 854/ 12:34:30 i/854/topic: Issues/ 12:34:34 ack k 12:34:51 subtopic: Issue 828 12:35:08 ml: PR is being prepared, this can be closed 12:35:21 i|we can merge it|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/854 Document At-Risk items| 12:35:30 s/we can merge/we can close/ 12:35:49 subtopic: Issue 867 12:35:54 ek: this is done 12:35:57 i|prepared|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/850 Issue 850 - Contradiction with the WoT Profile spec on protocol bindings| 12:36:27 i|done|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/867 Issue 867 - Siemens-Logilab implementation description| 12:36:47 subtopic: Issue 861 12:36:56 ml: we have made the whole section informative 12:37:13 i|we have|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/861 Issue 861 - Normative section points to document which is WIP| 12:37:36 q+ 12:37:45 ack e 12:37:51 subtopic: Issue 852 12:38:01 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/852 Issue 852 - Duplicate assertion for presence of TDs 12:39:04 ek: they mean the same thing for me 12:39:10 q+ 12:39:17 mm: do they though? Maybe it is a context issue 12:39:35 mm: we cannot change assertions at this point 12:41:30 dape has joined #wot-profile 12:42:09 ack k 12:42:41 ml: we can defer for now 12:43:22 subtopic: issue 851 12:43:31 mm: we should check if they are really redundant 12:43:46 i/we can/kaz: would suggest we explicitly mention at the 2nd assertion text that the assertion was already mentioned somewhere before the 2nd assertion in an informative manner./ 12:43:53 i/would/scribenick: kaz/ 12:44:01 i/we can de/scribenick: Ege/ 12:44:11 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:44:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:44:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:45:12 s/scribenick: kaz this time/kaz: this time/ 12:45:22 i/this time during/scribenick: kaz/ 12:45:24 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:45:39 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:46:05 mm: Ege are there bindings that specify data schemas? 12:46:29 ek: none of the protocol bindings actually 12:46:50 s/subtopic: Issue 828// 12:46:52 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:46:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:47:35 mm: the may and should do not match though 12:47:47 q+ 12:48:05 kaz: we should not do any normative changes 12:48:27 q+ 12:48:30 ack k 12:48:47 q+ 12:48:51 ack e 12:50:44 ek: I think we should clean them up, I think these assertions would contradict each other if they have different results in testing 12:50:50 kaz: let's focus on testing 12:51:02 ... we should not do normative changes anymore 12:51:28 ack k 12:52:15 s/let's focus on testing/would suggest we stop adding changes to the specs but concentrate on Testing and next Charter discussion./ 12:53:38 subtopic: Issue 796 12:53:42 s/we should not do normative changes anymore/because we can't add any normative changes. If we really want to continue to add changes, we should rather record them as Editor's Notes in an informative manner. (If the changes are fatal, of course, we should add them, though.)/ 12:53:46 mm: the bot will add it back 12:53:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:53:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:54:29 topic: PR 297 of Profile 12:54:30 i|we should check if they are really redundant|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/851 Issue 851 - Duplicate assertion for data schemas| 12:54:59 i|the bot will|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/796 Issue 796 - Accessibility (APA) review| 12:55:08 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:55:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:55:24 ml: this is too difficult to review in reasonable time 12:55:32 ... I do not know if this blocks anything 12:55:37 ... we can still do testfest 12:56:16 q+ 12:56:17 i|this is too|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/297 wot-profile PR 297 - Revised Abstract and Introduction - fixes #115 and fixes #190| 12:56:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:56:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 12:56:20 q? 12:56:23 ack e 12:57:09 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/297#issuecomment-1324843743 Sebastian's comments 12:57:12 ek: Sebastian said he cannot proceed with a PR, it is not about blocking the tesfest 12:58:30 s/with a PR/with a PR (unless this PR 297 is merged)/ 12:59:11 q+ 12:59:38 ack k 12:59:45 topic: PR 331 12:59:52 mm: you should change to another flow 13:00:08 i|you should|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/331 wot-profile PR 331 - narrowing down oauth required flows| 13:00:47 kaz: we're out of time. If needed, we should continue the discussion during the Testing call later. 13:00:58 i/we/scribenick: kaz/ 13:01:00 [adjourned] 13:01:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:01:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 14:27:53 Mizushima has left #wot-profile 15:00:18 Zakim has left #wot-profile