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15:33:20 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
15:33:44 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model
15:34:21 <Fazio> chair: Fazio, SBH
15:38:26 <Fazio> Agenda+ Review and address GitHub issues
15:38:51 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
15:52:40 <Fazio> present+
15:53:31 <Fazio> Regrets: Jake Abma, Brian O'Day
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15:59:34 <janina> agenda?
15:59:43 <janina> present+
15:59:48 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:59:48 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, janina
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16:00:03 <janina> Meeting: Maturity Model Teleconference
16:00:16 <janina> Date: 30 Nov 2022
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16:02:41 <Fazio> zakim, next item
16:02:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Review and address GitHub issues -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:02:43 <Sheri_B-H> scribe: Sheri_B-H
16:02:47 <Sheri_B-H> scribe+
16:03:02 <Fazio> topic: #139 Typo, curriculums v curricula
16:04:18 <Sheri_B-H> Curricula is Latin, curriculums is American English
16:04:23 <Sheri_B-H> so Curriculums is the correct ues
16:04:26 <Fazio> issue 139 will be changed to curriculums
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16:05:47 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/
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16:06:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Agenda?
16:06:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
16:06:54 <Fazio> Topic: #140 Executive sponsor in place' vs 'Executive leadership in place
16:06:56 <Sheri_B-H> Charles will make the fix and reach out to Roy if he has issues
16:07:59 <Sheri_B-H> I've always used the term executive sponsor, because it implies a single individual responsible for promoting it at the executive level
16:08:07 <Sheri_B-H> David agreed
16:09:21 <Sheri_B-H> Charles said the issue came from being confused about what an executive sponsor was in the non-profit world
16:09:24 <Fazio> Add definition to executive sponsor
16:09:30 <Sheri_B-H> David suggested adding a definition
16:09:36 <Sheri_B-H> which everyone agreed to
16:10:02 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/140
16:10:08 <Sheri_B-H> executive sponsor is a single individual responsible for promoting accessibility at the executive level
16:10:35 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: add "in any type of organization" to the end
16:10:52 <Sheri_B-H> David asked for objections, there were non
16:12:32 <Sheri_B-H> The person implementing this change needs to link all references of Executive Sponsor to the new definition, and also link the word "organization" in the definition to the definition for that term
16:13:07 <Sheri_B-H> David: We need to add acronyms to the glossary and make sure we are spelling them out on first usage
16:13:16 <Sheri_B-H> David: there are other comments for that issue
16:13:59 <Sheri_B-H> there were no objections, so when we get to those tickets, we will close them out with that approach
16:14:06 <Fazio> Topic: Business strategy includes accessibility as a market differentiator
16:14:24 <Fazio> #142
16:14:46 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/142
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16:18:09 <Sheri_B-H> agreed to use the word "promoting" instead of marketing or advertising in the proof point that the language in the comment came from
16:18:28 <Fazio> 3.7.1 Proof Points Culture proof points may include but are not limited to: Business strategy includes digital accessibility as market differentiator - add promoting
16:19:12 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri: we should review the document and replace any use of marketing or advertising with promoting.  It's a better term, more of an umbrella
16:19:18 <Sheri_B-H> there were no objections
16:19:23 <Fazio> side note: search document for word "advertising" and change all to promoting
16:20:22 <Sheri_B-H> don't replace market (the noun) just marketing (the verb)
16:20:56 <Fazio> 3.7.1 Proof Points Culture proof points may include but are not limited to: Business strategy includes digital accessibility as market differentiator - change to  Business strategy includes promoting digital accessibility as market differentiator
16:21:28 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/18
16:22:32 <Sheri_B-H> This is a comment from Jason.  We couldn't schedule a meeting with him before he went on an extended trip to Australia.  We will review all of Jason's comments with Jason present towards the end of the year when he has returned
16:30:09 <Sheri_B-H> Lionel: we need to make sure we are highlighting our differentiators from our competitors
16:30:46 <Sheri_B-H> Lionel: it's about transformation, getting accessibility out of an IT silo and spreading it across the organization
16:30:56 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: everything has a web component
16:31:24 <Sheri_B-H> Lionel: Conformance with WCAG is mostly about code
16:32:17 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri: WCAG conformance is about getting a specific version of a specific product accessible, the maturity model is about everything that needs to be done to keep it accessible, which is about way more than code
16:33:21 <Sheri_B-H> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/138
16:33:31 <Fazio> #138 Topic: #138 Duplicated info? Knowledge and Skills seemed to be repeated with the maturity stages section
16:35:37 <Sheri_B-H> So the answer we ended up for in the draft is both: general K&S goes in K&S, specific knowledge for a dimension goes in the dimension <Sheri_B-H> so an example would be ARIA - only ICT folx need training in that, so it goes in ICT
16:35:51 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: that sounds good, did we explain that in the K&S section
16:35:56 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri: I don't think so
16:36:13 <Sheri_B-H> no objections to adding this information to K&S
16:36:30 <janina> scribe+
16:36:50 <janina> Fazio: should not do spreadsheet items today
16:36:58 <janina> Sheri_B-H: need jeff for those
16:37:14 <janina> Fazio: looks for items not Jake identified ...
16:37:47 <janina> CharlesL: suggests #143
16:38:14 <Sheri_B-H> Knowledge and Skills includes information that is generic to accessibility across more than one dimension.  If there is knowledge and skills specific to a single dimension, that proof point is included in the single dimension, not knowledge and skills.  For example, knowledge of ARIA is specific to ICT, so it is included as an ICT proof point.  Basic information on disability inclusion is generic and would be included in knowledge and skills.
16:38:40 <janina> +1
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16:39:51 <nadine> While this dimension includes proof points to be implemented at the organization level, knowledge and skills specific to each of the other dimensions should be included within their respective proof points, as appropriate.
16:40:24 <Sheri_B-H> leave that, add the example?
16:40:35 <janina> nadine: reads out current intro
16:40:47 <Sheri_B-H> hile this dimension includes proof points to be implemented at the organization level, knowledge and skills specific to each of the other dimensions should be included within their respective proof points, as appropriate.  For example, knowledge of ARIA is specific to ICT, so it is included as an ICT proof point.  Basic information on disability inclusion is generic and would be included in knowledge and skills.
16:40:50 <janina> Sheri_B-H: phps we only need the xample?
16:41:18 <janina> Sheri_B-H: add the example to the language already in the doc
16:42:39 <janina> Sheri_B-H: suggests tagging spreadsheet issues with a spreadsheet keyword, so we can schedule a spreadsheet specific call with jeff
16:42:40 <Sheri_B-H> David to create spreadsheet label, and tag those tickets for review at a meeting Jeff can attend
16:42:47 <janina> Sheri_B-H: suggests 6 December?
16:42:58 <janina> jeff: Yes
16:43:08 <Fazio> Label all spreadsheet issues and address them together with Jeff present
16:43:14 <janina> s/6/7/
16:43:44 <janina> Sheri_B-H: behind on my todo's
16:43:57 <janina> CharlesL: when you catch up, Benetech can move forward, so thanks
16:44:41 <janina> jlkline: 2.4 no link to the template
16:44:49 <Fazio> Assessment Template link is missing
16:44:50 <janina> Sheri_B-H: thought we checked this with Roy
16:45:11 <janina> Sheri_B-H: it's a link, i just copied
16:45:14 <Sheri_B-H> https://www.w3.org/TR/maturity-model/
16:45:30 <janina> Sheri_B-H: scroll to the bottom of 2.3
16:45:34 <janina> s/3/4/
16:46:05 <janina> Sheri_B-H: phps have other references we should also turn into hyperlinks
16:46:24 <CharlesL> 2.4 Assessment Template
16:46:35 <CharlesL> Make a copy of the https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/maturity-model/Overview.xlsx to get started.
16:46:35 <CharlesL> 
16:46:41 <janina> jlkline: how will we work on it?
16:47:00 <janina> Sheri_B-H: i can put in a shared google sheet, then we can swap versions when we're happy with the edits
16:47:06 <janina> jlkline: formulas come across?
16:47:11 <janina> Sheri_B-H: Yes. I checked!
16:47:22 <janina> Sheri_B-H: Will send link to Google Sheet
16:48:21 <janina> CharlesL: suggests another sheet with just the worksheet values hdden?
16:48:25 <janina> Sheri_B-H: already done
16:49:42 <Fazio> agenda, next item
16:49:59 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: APA thinks we should be a task force, not a subgroup
16:50:11 <Sheri_B-H> Janina will provide a template for a work statement
16:50:26 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: we don't have to get a charter
16:50:59 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: that would give us a separate set of pages
16:51:09 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: Proposed name "Maturity Model Taskforce"
16:51:37 <Sheri_B-H> Review proposed work statement on Dec 14
16:53:00 <Sheri_B-H> Janina will send Sheri a template to put together a draft for Dec 14 review
16:54:02 <Sheri_B-H> rrsagent, make minutes
16:54:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/30-maturity-minutes.html Sheri_B-H
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