IRC log of wot-profile on 2022-11-16
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- 12:00:20 [kaz]
- meeting: WoT Architecture/Profile
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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- regrets+ McCool
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- present+ Michael_Lagally
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- present+ Ege_Korkan
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- q+
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- present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_.28Profile.29_Nov_16th.2C_2022
- 12:06:05 [kaz]
- present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
- 12:06:06 [sebastian]
- ML: <shows the agenda>
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- -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf
- 12:06:52 [kaz]
- i/shows/topic: Agenda/
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- s/WebConf/WebConv#Architecture_.28Profile.29_Nov_16th.2C_2022/
- 12:07:33 [sebastian]
- <ML adds the CR exit condition>
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- topic: Minutes
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- subtopic: Minutes 09 Nov 2022
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-wot-profile-minutes.html
- 12:08:45 [kaz]
- q+
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- ack k
- 12:09:48 [sebastian]
- Kaz: we review the minutes twice
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- s/html/html Nov-9/
- 12:10:17 [sebastian]
- ML: any objections?
- 12:10:18 [kaz]
- s/we/It seems we/
- 12:10:21 [sebastian]
- no
- 12:10:38 [sebastian]
- subtopic: Minutes 10 Nov 2022
- 12:10:48 [sebastian]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/10-wot-arch-minutes.html
- 12:10:58 [sebastian]
- ML: any objections?
- 12:11:00 [sebastian]
- no
- 12:11:04 [kaz]
- s/any/ML: some people can join only on Wed or Thu, so quickly skim both the minutes from Wed and Thu./
- 12:11:19 [kaz]
- s/html/html Nov-10/
- 12:11:38 [sebastian]
- topic: Architecture
- 12:11:43 [sebastian]
- subtopic: Implementation report + CR status
- 12:12:27 [kaz]
- s/Implementation report + CR status/PR 878/
- 12:12:36 [sebastian]
- ML: Sebastian provided an PR about the CR exit statement
- 12:12:59 [kaz]
- i|Seb|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/878 PR 878 - Provide CR exit statment in sotd section|
- 12:13:14 [sebastian]
- s/an/a
- 12:13:58 [sebastian]
- ML: How long is the CR review phase?
- 12:14:53 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:15:55 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#transition-cr W3C Process Document says "CR period at least 28 days" but it can be longer
- 12:16:12 [sebastian]
- SK: not 100% sure, I think min 1 month upto 2month
- 12:17:33 [sebastian]
- Kaz: the review phase is at least 28 days
- 12:18:54 [sebastian]
- Kaz: usually transition request should be done by the spec editor. Co-chairs and myself can help
- 12:19:12 [sebastian]
- ML: lets discuss this in the main call
- 12:21:01 [sebastian]
- <ML do live editing in the PR to swap the "at risk" sentance to the end>
- 12:21:21 [kaz]
- s/lets/let's/
- 12:21:29 [sebastian]
- Kaz: we should use this call to talk about the Arch topics
- 12:21:58 [sebastian]
- <ML shows the implementation report of Architecture>
- 12:22:12 [sebastian]
- Kaz: suggest to discuss the testing result in the testing call
- 12:23:03 [sebastian]
- ML: I always wondering why we have different numbers of test results.
- 12:23:17 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:23:21 [Ege]
- ack k
- 12:24:13 [kaz]
- [ We've confirmed that Michael Lagally will work on the CR Transition Request for WoT Architecture and the Status Section (SoTD) for the exit criteria (the Chairs and the Team Contact will help) ]
- 12:24:35 [kaz]
- subtopic: Implementation status
- 12:24:46 [kaz]
- s/ML: I always wondering why we have different numbers of test results.//
- 12:24:48 [kaz]
- ML: I always wondering why we have different numbers of test results.
- 12:25:23 [kaz]
- -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/testing/report11.html draft Implementation Results
- 12:25:27 [kaz]
- q?
- 12:25:27 [sebastian]
- ML: many security-based asserations missing
- 12:25:29 [kaz]
- ack e
- 12:25:33 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:26:19 [sebastian]
- Ege: Does maybe Oracle support those features?
- 12:26:42 [sebastian]
- ML: Currently have poc for the Profile Spec.
- 12:28:22 [sebastian]
- Kaz: I do also not understand why this features are not implemented yet.
- 12:28:29 [Ege]
- q+
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- ack k
- 12:29:27 [kaz]
- s/I do also not understand why this features are not implemented yet./I suspect report submitters don't really understand what the assertions really mean/
- 12:29:45 [sebastian]
- Ege: maybe an explaination can be that there are different csv which have to be provided. Developer maybe are not aware of it.
- 12:29:58 [kaz]
- s/mean/mean given "The WoT Runtime SHOULD NOT directly expose native device interfaces to the script developers." is not implemented./
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- ack k
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- ack e
- 12:30:48 [kaz]
- s/not implemented./not implemented. We need to ask all the submitters about their intentions again./
- 12:30:53 [sebastian]
- ML: there are 10 implementations in the test folder, but the report has more
- 12:31:18 [sebastian]
- Ege: the report shows all WoT implementations that are invovled in the testing
- 12:31:31 [kaz]
- s/explaination/explanation/
- 12:32:41 [sebastian]
- ML: we should invite people to provide contributions
- 12:32:46 [sebastian]
- Ege: agree
- 12:32:53 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:33:35 [sebastian]
- ... it would be great to see your implementation also here
- 12:34:18 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:34:25 [sebastian]
- Kaz: we should check the current situation in the testing repo and should clearify what is missing.
- 12:34:28 [kaz]
- present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
- 12:34:32 [kaz]
- ack k
- 12:35:22 [sebastian]
- ML: its hard to understand what should to do for testing
- 12:35:59 [sebastian]
- Ege: actually, there are READMEs and thosw works well in the past.
- 12:36:09 [sebastian]
- s/thosw/those
- 12:36:20 [kaz]
- s/missing/missing first. after that, if some of the assertions which should have been covered already is not covered yet, we should explain what we really meant by each assertion to all the implementers and ask them to submit their results again./
- 12:36:45 [kaz]
- s/its/right. it's/
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- s/should to do/should be done/
- 12:37:08 [sebastian]
- <ML goes back to the PR>
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- s/thosw works/they worked/
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- q?
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- ack e
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/16-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
- 12:38:40 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:41:17 [sebastian]
- Kaz: The procedure is already defined by the process document. We should mention that we would like to have tow or more implementaion.
- 12:41:44 [sebastian]
- s/tow/two
- 12:44:18 [sebastian]
- ... if we want to use the arch 1.0 version result we should check the status there.
- 12:44:56 [sebastian]
- ML: I have a problem to reuse from the past also from members that are not members anymore
- 12:45:58 [sebastian]
- Kaz: we should be clear which features are new in Arch 1.1 and should be explained in the IR
- 12:46:31 [Ege]
- q+
- 12:47:17 [sebastian]
- ML: we do not test that we are backwards compatible
- 12:47:45 [sebastian]
- q+
- 12:48:41 [sebastian]
- Kaz: it is ok when we define our own policy
- 12:48:47 [kaz]
- ack k
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- ack e
- 12:50:00 [sebastian]
- Ege: I just agree what Kaz said
- 12:51:14 [kaz]
- s/it is ok when we define our own policy/If we really want, we can define a policy to require WoT Architecture 1.1 implementations which cover all the features including both 1.0 compatible features and 1.1-specific features./
- 12:51:20 [kaz]
- q+
- 12:52:19 [sebastian]
- SK: in my understanding, in the CR phase the IR needs not to be finalized
- 12:54:03 [kaz]
- s/specific features./specific features. However, we can expect 1.0-compatible features are implementable based on the results of the WoT Architecture 1.0 Implementation Report./
- 12:58:35 [kaz]
- kaz: Anyway, given some of the simple/clear assertions like "abstraction of device interfaces" are not covered yet, we need to look into the test results themselves
- 12:59:27 [kaz]
- ack s
- 13:03:46 [sebastian]
- Kaz: IR results is needed for the PR
- 13:04:22 [sebastian]
- ML: is the current version enough for the CR transition?
- 13:04:38 [kaz]
- ack k
- 13:04:52 [kaz]
- s/IR results is/IR results are/
- 13:04:54 [sebastian]
- Kaz: I'm ok. the question is to check the results
- 13:05:17 [sebastian]
- I have some connection problems...
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- I cannot hear anything anymore
- 13:05:28 [kaz]
- s/for the PR/for the PR transition, so we can continue the detailed check in parallel./
- 13:05:59 [kaz]
- ML: Unfortunately, we're out of time
- 13:06:41 [sebastian]
- ML: I'm going to merge this PR
- 13:06:50 [kaz]
- s/ML: Unfortunately, we're out of time//
- 13:06:56 [kaz]
- [adjourned]
- 13:07:02 [kaz]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- SK: we will use the main call to talk about Profile PRs
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- adjourn
- 13:07:08 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/16-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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- s/[adjourned]//
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- chair: Lagally
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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