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12:00:20 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture/Profile
12:00:52 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
12:00:56 <kaz> regrets+ McCool
12:01:02 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
12:02:38 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
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12:04:13 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:05:07 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_.28Profile.29_Nov_16th.2C_2022
12:06:05 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:06:06 <sebastian> ML: <shows the agenda>
12:06:29 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf
12:06:52 <kaz> i/shows/topic: Agenda/
12:07:13 <kaz> s/WebConf/WebConv#Architecture_.28Profile.29_Nov_16th.2C_2022/
12:07:33 <sebastian> <ML adds the CR exit condition>
12:07:53 <sebastian> topic: Minutes
12:08:14 <sebastian> subtopic: Minutes 09 Nov 2022
12:08:25 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-wot-profile-minutes.html
12:08:45 <kaz> q+
12:09:36 <kaz> ack k
12:09:48 <sebastian> Kaz: we review the minutes twice
12:10:04 <kaz> s/html/html Nov-9/
12:10:17 <sebastian> ML: any objections?
12:10:18 <kaz> s/we/It seems we/
12:10:21 <sebastian> no
12:10:38 <sebastian> subtopic: Minutes 10 Nov 2022
12:10:48 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/10-wot-arch-minutes.html
12:10:58 <sebastian> ML: any objections?
12:11:00 <sebastian> no
12:11:04 <kaz> s/any/ML: some people can join only on Wed or Thu, so quickly skim both the minutes from Wed and Thu./
12:11:19 <kaz> s/html/html Nov-10/
12:11:38 <sebastian> topic: Architecture
12:11:43 <sebastian> subtopic: Implementation report + CR status
12:12:27 <kaz> s/Implementation report + CR status/PR 878/
12:12:36 <sebastian> ML: Sebastian provided an PR about the CR exit statement
12:12:59 <kaz> i|Seb|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/878 PR 878 - Provide CR exit statment in sotd section|
12:13:14 <sebastian> s/an/a
12:13:58 <sebastian> ML: How long is the CR review phase?
12:14:53 <kaz> q+
12:15:55 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#transition-cr W3C Process Document says "CR period at least 28 days" but it can be longer
12:16:12 <sebastian> SK: not 100% sure, I think min 1 month upto 2month
12:17:33 <sebastian> Kaz: the review phase is at least 28 days
12:18:54 <sebastian> Kaz: usually transition request should be done by the spec editor. Co-chairs and myself can help
12:19:12 <sebastian> ML: lets discuss this in the main call
12:21:01 <sebastian> <ML do live editing in the PR to swap the "at risk" sentance to the end>
12:21:21 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
12:21:29 <sebastian> Kaz: we should use this call to talk about the Arch topics
12:21:58 <sebastian> <ML shows the implementation report of Architecture>
12:22:12 <sebastian> Kaz: suggest to discuss the testing result in the testing call
12:23:03 <sebastian> ML: I always wondering why we have different numbers of test results.
12:23:17 <Ege> q+
12:23:21 <Ege> ack k
12:24:13 <kaz> [ We've confirmed that Michael Lagally will work on the CR Transition Request for WoT Architecture and the Status Section (SoTD) for the exit criteria (the Chairs and the Team Contact will help) ]
12:24:35 <kaz> subtopic: Implementation status
12:24:46 <kaz> s/ML: I always wondering why we have different numbers of test results.//
12:24:48 <kaz> ML: I always wondering why we have different numbers of test results.
12:25:23 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/testing/report11.html draft Implementation Results
12:25:27 <kaz> q?
12:25:27 <sebastian> ML: many security-based asserations missing
12:25:29 <kaz> ack e
12:25:33 <kaz> q+
12:26:19 <sebastian> Ege: Does maybe Oracle support those features?
12:26:42 <sebastian> ML: Currently have poc for the Profile Spec.
12:28:22 <sebastian> Kaz: I do also not understand why this features are not implemented yet.
12:28:29 <Ege> q+
12:28:33 <kaz> ack k
12:29:27 <kaz> s/I do also not understand why this features are not implemented yet./I suspect report submitters don't really understand what the assertions really mean/
12:29:45 <sebastian> Ege: maybe an explaination can be that there are different csv which have to be provided. Developer maybe are not aware of it.
12:29:58 <kaz> s/mean/mean given "The WoT Runtime SHOULD NOT directly expose native device interfaces to the script developers." is not implemented./
12:30:17 <kaz> ack k
12:30:20 <kaz> ack e
12:30:48 <kaz> s/not implemented./not implemented. We need to ask all the submitters about their intentions again./
12:30:53 <sebastian> ML: there are 10 implementations in the test folder, but the report has more
12:31:18 <sebastian> Ege: the report shows all WoT implementations that are invovled in the testing
12:31:31 <kaz> s/explaination/explanation/
12:32:41 <sebastian> ML: we should invite people to provide contributions
12:32:46 <sebastian> Ege: agree
12:32:53 <kaz> q+
12:33:35 <sebastian> ... it would be great to see your implementation also here
12:34:18 <Ege> q+
12:34:25 <sebastian> Kaz: we should check the current situation in the testing repo and should clearify what is missing.
12:34:28 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:34:32 <kaz> ack k
12:35:22 <sebastian> ML: its hard to understand what should to do for testing
12:35:59 <sebastian> Ege: actually, there are READMEs and thosw works well in the past.
12:36:09 <sebastian> s/thosw/those
12:36:20 <kaz> s/missing/missing first. after that, if some of the assertions which should have been covered already is not covered yet, we should explain what we really meant by each assertion to all the implementers and ask them to submit their results again./
12:36:45 <kaz> s/its/right. it's/
12:36:54 <kaz> s/should to do/should be done/
12:37:08 <sebastian> <ML goes back to the PR>
12:37:14 <kaz> s/thosw works/they worked/
12:37:22 <kaz> q?
12:37:24 <kaz> ack e
12:37:42 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:37:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:37:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/16-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:38:40 <kaz> q+
12:41:17 <sebastian> Kaz: The procedure is already defined by the process document. We should mention that we would like to have tow or more implementaion.
12:41:44 <sebastian> s/tow/two
12:44:18 <sebastian> ... if we want to use the arch 1.0 version result we should check the status there.
12:44:56 <sebastian> ML: I have a problem to reuse from the past also from members that are not members anymore
12:45:58 <sebastian> Kaz: we should be clear which features are new in Arch 1.1 and should be explained in the IR
12:46:31 <Ege> q+
12:47:17 <sebastian> ML: we do not test that we are backwards compatible
12:47:45 <sebastian> q+
12:48:41 <sebastian> Kaz: it is ok when we define our own policy
12:48:47 <kaz> ack k
12:48:49 <kaz> ack e
12:50:00 <sebastian> Ege: I just agree what Kaz said
12:51:14 <kaz> s/it is ok when we define our own policy/If we really want, we can define a policy to require WoT Architecture 1.1 implementations which cover all the features including both 1.0 compatible features and 1.1-specific features./
12:51:20 <kaz> q+
12:52:19 <sebastian> SK: in my understanding, in the CR phase the IR needs not to be finalized
12:54:03 <kaz> s/specific features./specific features. However, we can expect 1.0-compatible features are implementable based on the results of the WoT Architecture 1.0 Implementation Report./
12:58:35 <kaz> kaz: Anyway, given some of the simple/clear assertions like "abstraction of device interfaces" are not covered yet, we need to look into the test results themselves
12:59:27 <kaz> ack s
13:03:46 <sebastian> Kaz: IR results is needed for the PR
13:04:22 <sebastian> ML: is the current version enough for the CR transition?
13:04:38 <kaz> ack k
13:04:52 <kaz> s/IR results is/IR results are/
13:04:54 <sebastian> Kaz: I'm ok. the question is to check the results
13:05:17 <sebastian> I have some connection problems...
13:05:26 <sebastian> I cannot hear anything anymore
13:05:28 <kaz> s/for the PR/for the PR transition, so we can continue the detailed check in parallel./
13:05:59 <kaz> ML: Unfortunately, we're out of time
13:06:41 <sebastian> ML: I'm going to merge this PR
13:06:50 <kaz> s/ML: Unfortunately, we're out of time//
13:06:56 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:07:02 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:07:05 <sebastian> SK: we will use the main call to talk about Profile PRs
13:07:08 <sebastian> adjourn
13:07:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/16-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:07:20 <kaz> s/[adjourned]//
13:07:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/16-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
13:10:23 <kaz> chair: Lagally
13:10:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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