IRC log of wot on 2022-11-16

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meeting: WoT WG/IG

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch

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present+ Ege_Korkan Tetsushi_Matsuda

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima, Kunihiko_Toumura

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#16_November_2022

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chair: Sebastian

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regrets+ McCool

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scribenick: kaz

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present+ Michael_Koster

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topic: Guests

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sk: no guests for today

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topic: Minutes

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-> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-minutes.html Nov-2

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sk: (quickly skim them)

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present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura

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q?

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approved

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topic: Discussion on Profile

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sk: unfortunately, no time to discuss Profile topics during the Architecture/Profile call right before this call

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... would use 10-15 mins now

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ml: we have 11 PRs for wot-profile

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... Testfest expected in December

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... no Architecture/Profile call tomorrow

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... would see the PRs now

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/324 Pr 324 - December Testfest Preparation - implementation cross reference and xref tool

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ml: created an additional README for report generation

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q+

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... also updated the original README with how to provide results for Profile

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... also several CSVs: assertion-totals.csv, implementation-xref.csv, template.csv

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q+

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... and tool for cross-referencing

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ack e

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ek: PR itself is fine

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... but wot-testing repo should be used to get the test results from the implementers, shouldn't it?

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... we should clarify our policy which to go

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... putting the results on the spec repo

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... or wot-testing

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ml: point taking

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... would like to keep things simple

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... we can copy the results to the wot-testing area for the Testfest later

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q+

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ek: wot-testing repo has sub-directories for data handling already

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... so people would be confused by this new proposal

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ml: this approach itself is simple

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ack k

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kaz: let's have more discussion during the Testing call later about how to handle the data for testing

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... we just have 10 mins for Profile discussion during the main call now

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ack k

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sk: did quick check on the wot-testing repo

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... we already have README files there on how to organize the tests

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... so not sure why we need to put this information under the wot-profile repo

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ml: I'm OK with having this information under the wot-testing repo

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... but we should have cross-referencing mechanism between the WoT Profile spec and its testing work

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ek: would suggest we not merge this PR and discuss it further during the Testing call

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q?

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ack s

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q+

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ml: would suggest we merge this and have further discussion later during the Testing call

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ack e

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ek: would object we merge this PR...

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sk: also would suggest we discuss this during the Testing call

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q?

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dp: +1

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sk: let's stop this discussion, and continue the discussion during the Testing call

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topic: Quick updates

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subtopic: IIWOT 23

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sk: our proposed invited talk itself is accepted

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... but the are only 4 submissions for the workshop

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... the question is now whether we really want to join the workshop or not

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... would hear from McCool as well

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subtopic: Cancellations

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-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations

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sk: no Architecture/Profile call tomorrow on Nov 17

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... also no calls during the weeks of Dec 26 and Jan 2

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topic: Publications

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sk: got comments from Ralph on the exit criteria

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... so have added clarification

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s/clarification/clarification for TD and Discovery/

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https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/474

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... generated a draft Transition Request for Architecture

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ml: would review it

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sk: ok

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... Regarding WoT Profile

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... planning to have an updated WD by Dec 8 so taht we can use it for the Testfest

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topic: Societal Impact Questionnaire

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sk: McCool is working on that

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md updated schedule

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sk: would publish an updated WD for Profile on Dec 21

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topic: WG Charter

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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978 Issue on WoT WG Charter

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s/Issue/Old Issue/

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-> https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-2022-draft.html Draft WG Charter

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sk: confused with how to proceed

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kaz: the above Issue 978 on WoT WG Charter is kind of obsolete

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... so we should rather create new Issues and PRs to update the draft Charter

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... we should add an explicit label of "WG Charter", etc., for that discussion

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sk: good point

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... (generates a new label of "WG New Charter Plans 2023")

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topic: Liaisons

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sk: no specific updates on OPC or DTDL

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... would like to consider creating a dedicated TF for the OPC liaison

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... but should have discussion during the WG Charter topic

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... need to ask Erich about his availability for the next meeting

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topic: Collaborations

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subtopic: WoT CG

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ek: Cristiano and I had discussions on "Office Hours"

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... around JSON Schema, etc.

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... every Thursday

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q+

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... also confirmed to have meetups

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... with Deutsch Telekom on smart homes

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... then Netzo

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q?

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... next week, we'll have concrete link

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... planned on Dec 15

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q+

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ack k

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kaz: office hours@@@

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... should not advertise non-Members work :)

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... should be careful about how to manage the discussion

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ek: understood

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ack ml

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ml: outreach from the CG?

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... potential adapters who would be able to provide use cases

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+1 this :)

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... hope that the CG would bring new Members for WoT

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subtopic: WoT-JP CG

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mizu: JP CG is planning to have events on use cases and plugfest/testfest next year

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subtopic: Other groups

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s/Other groups/APA/

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ml: asking the APA Chair to review the WoT Profile spec

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... from accessibility viewpoints like screen reader

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q+

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ack k

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[adjourned; testing call in 8 mins]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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s/should not ad/regarding the meetup, we should not ad/

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s/office hours@@@/"Office Hours" is a generic term, but used for a meeting with AC Reps to supplement the discussion on virtual AC meetings. so it might be better to use another term for your event./

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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