12:02:30 RRSAgent has joined #wot-profile 12:02:30 logging to https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-wot-profile-irc 12:02:41 meeting: WoT Architecture/Profile 12:02:46 Mizushima has joined #wot-profile 12:03:12 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally 12:05:49 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:06:28 scribenick: kaz 12:06:54 ml: combined Architecture/Profile call 12:07:23 topic: Minutes 12:07:41 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-arch-minutes.html Nov-2 12:07:51 kaz: we've reviewed the minutes 12:07:58 ml: just quickly skim them 12:08:50 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/03-wot-arch-minutes.html Nov-3 12:08:54 approved 12:09:06 topic: Architecture 12:09:55 subtopic: PR 873 12:10:10 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/873 PR 873 - Remove Section 7 assertions 12:10:12 merged 12:10:18 subtopic: PR 875 12:10:38 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/875 PR 875 - Change Log for updates from WD 2022-09-07 12:12:26 merged 12:13:32 subtopic: Issue 867 12:13:53 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/867 Issue 867 - Siemens-Logilab implementation description 12:14:21 https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/data/input_2022/Architecture/Impls 12:14:23 ek: not done yet 12:14:27 q? 12:14:29 q+ 12:16:04 kaz: to make sure, this is an issue on the Implementation Report, so another Issue for the wot-testing repository to be made, and another PR for wot-testing to be made 12:16:05 ek: right 12:16:15 ml: let's talk during the Testing call later too 12:16:44 kaz: suggest you create an Issue on wot-testing now 12:16:51 ek: ok 12:17:45 q+ 12:18:28 topic: Issue 877 12:19:23 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/877 Issue 877 - Update CR version with change log 12:19:41 kaz: what do you mean by this Issue 877? 12:20:08 ml: applying the latest updates on the Change Logs to the static HTML for publication 12:20:12 kaz: ok 12:20:46 i|topic: Issue 877|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/474 wot-testing Issue 474| 12:21:10 i|topic: Issue 877|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/475 wot-testing PR 475| 12:21:24 s/topic: Issue 877/subtopic: Issue 877/ 12:21:48 ml: any volunteer to generate a PR for this Issue 877? 12:21:51 (none yet) 12:22:13 ml: (adds "by CR transition" label) 12:22:36 q+ 12:23:14 subtopic: Problem with the Implementation Report 12:23:34 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/testing/report11.html Implementation Report for the WoT Architecture spec 12:23:55 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:25:23 kaz: the assertions are sorted by the ID name 12:25:41 ... but all the assertions from the WoT Architecture spec is to be checked manually 12:25:58 ... so it would be better to have the assertions not sorted by the ID name 12:26:19 ... simply checking the assertions one by one based on the order of the appearance is fine 12:26:22 ml: agree 12:26:36 kaz: let's talk about this issue during the Testing call again 12:26:41 topic: Profile 12:26:59 subtopi: Implementation Report 12:27:24 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/main/testing/assertion-totals.csv assertion-totals.csv 12:28:14 ml: (shows the consolidated assertion list including the information on which implementation passes which assertion) 12:28:40 ... generated from the inputs from implementers 12:29:46 ... node-wot, webthings-gateway and wot-webthing 12:30:05 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/main/testing/inputs/results/node-wot.csv node-wot.csv 12:30:07 q+ 12:30:16 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/main/testing/inputs/results/webthings-gateway.csv webthings-gateway.csv 12:30:26 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/main/testing/inputs/results/wot-webthing.csv wot-webthing.csv 12:30:27 ack k 12:30:30 ack e 12:30:39 ml: would like to get more inputs 12:31:11 ek: Consumers to be implemented from scratch 12:31:21 ml: let's talk about the Consumer later 12:32:17 q+ 12:32:41 kaz: during the Testing call? 12:32:51 ml: yeah, details to be discussed during the Testing call 12:32:52 ack k 12:34:08 q+ 12:34:37 ... for this call, we'd assume potential Consumer implementations 12:35:04 ek: we should see the definition of "Consumer" first 12:35:35 ... humans can read the data and respond as well 12:35:45 ... also some automatic tool can handle the data 12:36:08 q+ 12:36:12 ack e 12:36:53 ack k 12:37:06 kaz: do we want to talk about that NOW? 12:37:30 ml: want to quickly check the definition of "Consumer" so that we can ask people for help 12:37:46 q+ 12:38:01 https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/testing/report11.html 12:38:11 s/https/-> https/ 12:38:30 s/html/html WoT Architecture 1.1 Implementation Report/ 12:38:57 i/https/kaz: OK. BTW, which document are you showing now?/ 12:39:27 i/https/ml: the Implementation report for the Architecture, which includes description on Consumer implementations/ 12:39:33 kaz: ok 12:39:42 subtopic: PR 316 12:40:13 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/316 PR 316 - Adding Common constraints for accessibility 12:40:37 ml: common constraints for accessibility 12:41:29 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-profile/316/f041378...450cf42.html#accessibility diff - 6.1 Accessibility 12:41:42 q+ 12:41:54 ack k 12:42:15 ek: title is required for TD 12:43:09 q+ 12:43:12 ack e 12:44:18 ... we have description field as well 12:44:28 ... should be also considered 12:44:45 ... language negotiation should be also considered 12:44:56 ml: we have requirements for Consumers 12:45:06 ... this is only a requirement to TD 12:45:23 ... recommendation for multi-language too 12:45:56 ek: do a Profile Thing conform to the TD? 12:46:06 ml: that's a basic assumption 12:46:33 q? 12:47:23 https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#td-context-ns-thing-map-of-namespaces 12:47:59 https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/#td-ns-multilanguage-content-negotiation 12:49:16 kaz: from my viewpoint, having "6.1 Accessibility" as one of the subsections within this section right before "6.2 Units" and "6.3 Date format" is a bit odd 12:49:44 ... there is a mixture of contents, wide review viewpoints and concrete fields 12:50:07 q+ 12:50:08 ... might be OK as a starting point, but would be better to restructure this section 12:50:10 ack k 12:50:14 ml: right 12:50:24 ... would just start with this 12:51:27 ... would like to remove the first sentence 12:51:58 s/sentence/sentence about the "title" field 12:52:07 ack e 12:53:09 s/this section/this section (including only two assertions for Accessibility, title and description)/ 12:53:59 ... this is conditional description 12:54:13 ... would be better to add more clarifications 12:54:33 ... e.g., information for screen reader software to be added 12:54:49 q+ 12:55:47 ek: assertions should be testable 12:56:05 ml: we can extend the text 12:56:12 s/extend/expand/ 12:59:01 kaz: given the current situation, it would be better to add a simple Editor's Note on the need for the assertions on Accessibility here within the section "6. Common Constraints" 12:59:02 q? 12:59:54 ... starting with the currently proposed two assertions is fine 13:00:10 ... but we should add an Editor's Note here 13:00:12 ml: ok 13:00:51 ... can outreach Janina as the APA Chair so that we can get inputs 13:00:56 ack k 13:01:06 q+ 13:01:35 ek: merging this PR 316 itself is fine 13:01:43 ... but assertions should be testable 13:02:06 ... so don't understand the intention to merge it 13:02:16 q? 13:03:47 kaz: we're already out of time 13:04:01 ... so should stop the discussion here 13:04:55 ... my suggestion is again adding an Editor's Note saying we need input from the Accessibility group on what to be considered about the Accessibility for WoT Profile 13:04:58 ml: ok 13:05:11 ... (adds an Editor's Note) 13:06:16 i/my sugg/to be honest, we're delayed with the WoT Profile spec work, and we're not at the stage of thinking about the assertions' testability yet./ 13:06:24 q+ 13:08:03 ack k 13:08:24 ek: don't understand the intention about this yet 13:08:52 kaz: if there is any problem with Testing, let's continue the discussion during the Testing call later 13:09:05 (PR 316 merged) 13:09:32 [adjourned] 13:09:36 rrsagent, make log public 13:09:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:09:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 13:59:32 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_.28combined_Profile_.2B_Architecture.29_Nov_9rd.2C_2022 13:59:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:59:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 14:05:35 regrets+ McCool, Sebastian 14:05:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 14:09:42 chair: Lagally 14:09:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:09:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz 15:10:11 Mizushima has left #wot-profile 15:34:02 Zakim has left #wot-profile