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17:01:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference
17:01:32 <trackbot> Date: 09 November 2022
17:01:33 <IrfanA> agenda?
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17:04:34 <IrfanA> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/DRAFT-:-Response-to-WHAT
17:04:39 <janina> present+
17:07:08 <Alan_> present+
17:07:47 <IrfanA> present+
17:08:06 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: What concerns me is the content bloat and authoring challenge of wrapping individual words with multiple elements to properly form the SSML markup. I see this occurring a lot with MathML in HTML when used to “style” a variable occurring in the text.
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17:09:11 <IrfanA> https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/explainer/
17:09:13 <NeilS> present+
17:09:45 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: A key disadvantage is that inline SSML appears to be more difficult for Assistive Technologies to implement, specifically for screen reader
17:10:28 <IrfanA> janina: if we are not ready to ask WHATWG, then we need to figure out our approach
17:11:07 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: If we see our goal to control the presentation of the text in web content, how would in-line addresses the concerns which is difficult to do
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17:11:29 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: may be WHATWG can think of better way to do iot
17:11:47 <IrfanA> janina: may be they can help us to do it more effectively
17:12:05 <IrfanA> janina: we are looking for their help in figuring this help.
17:12:28 <IrfanA> janina: I will work on this DRAFT to convey our message more effectively
17:12:38 <IrfanA> janina: asking some help from them is reasonable
17:13:12 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: it is good to bring back Joanie in this conversation since she has solid expertise in this matter
17:13:34 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: another person is Glen Gordon that we can bring back to this conversation
17:13:48 <IrfanA> janina: let me take another look into this DRAFT to ask help from WHATWG
17:14:34 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: CSS. can do some of this but not everything
17:16:57 <IrfanA> zakim, takeup item 3
17:16:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup item 3', IrfanA
17:17:02 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
17:17:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from IrfanA]
17:17:08 <IrfanA> zakim, close this item
17:17:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:17:10 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:17:10 <Zakim> 2. Action Items https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/DRAFT-:-Response-to-WHAT [from IrfanA]
17:17:13 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
17:17:13 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/DRAFT-:-Response-to-WHAT -- taken up [from IrfanA]
17:17:20 <IrfanA> zakim, close this item
17:17:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
17:17:21 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:17:21 <Zakim> 3. Github Issues and examples [from IrfanA]
17:17:41 <IrfanA> IrfanA: Email from Publishing A11Y task force
17:17:59 <IrfanA> Hello,     In the Publishing Community Group, we have created the User Experience Guide to help retailers and libraries provide meaning full accessibility metadata.     One of the Schema.org features is “TTS Markup”     The guidance information says:  If specific markup is provided to assist TTS pronunciation, the type should be included.     Our question, “What should be in the example text, ”     It is OK to have more than one ex[CUT]
17:18:21 <IrfanA> We do not want anything long and we do not need links to specifications.     Something like:     TTS markup using SSML has been provided for uncommon proper names.  Or  XYZ markup was used for important terms.
17:18:47 <IrfanA> NeilS: we are not at point where we can suggest markup yet
17:19:07 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: EPUB may have some examples
17:19:21 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: we have referenced in our gap-analysis document
17:20:27 <mhakkinen> 	   <p><span ssml:alphabet="ipa" ssml:ph="ipʌb">EPUB</span> is an …</p>
17:21:49 <mhakkinen> https://www.w3.org/publishing/epub3/epub-contentdocs.html#sec-xhtml-ssml-attrib
17:21:57 <IrfanA> mhakkinen: will write the response to George
17:23:08 <IrfanA> rssagent, make minutes
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17:23:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/09-pronunciation-minutes.html IrfanA
17:24:11 <IrfanA> Chair: Irfan Ali
17:24:15 <IrfanA> scribe: Irfan Ali
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17:24:32 <IrfanA> zakim, clear  agenda
17:24:32 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:24:38 <IrfanA> rrsagent, make minutes
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