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19:57:07 <Caroline_> Present+
19:57:30 <pchampin> Présent+
20:00:21 <Caroline_> regrets+ AndreaPerego, Peter
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20:14:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> scribenick: riccardoAlbertoni
20:14:57 <Caroline_> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/25-dxwg-minutes
20:15:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> proposed: accept the meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2022/10/25-dxwg-minutes
20:15:29 <Caroline_> +1
20:15:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:15:32 <Nobu_Ogura> +1
20:15:33 <pchampin> +0
20:15:38 <annette_g> +1
20:15:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> resolved:  accept the meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2022/10/25-dxwg-minutes
20:17:41 <riccardoAlbertoni> proposed: setting a doodle to decide the proper plenary meeting time
20:18:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:18:06 <Caroline_> +1
20:18:11 <annette_g> +1
20:18:11 <pchampin> +1
20:18:11 <Nobu_Ogura> +1
20:18:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> resolved: setting a doodle to decide the proper plenary meeting time
20:18:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> Caroline_: I can prepare the doodle
20:19:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> Topic: DCAT subgroup
20:19:20 <Caroline_> scribe: Caroline_
20:19:28 <Caroline_> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:20:00 <Caroline_> riccardoAlbertoni: DCAT subgroup discussed editorial issues
20:20:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1498
20:20:30 <Caroline_> ... suggested updates on turtle file as it is indicated on the link above
20:20:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1538#issuecomment-1302340125
20:21:09 <annette_g> q+ to make a suggestion about the checksums
20:21:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1526#issuecomment-1292637956
20:21:20 <Caroline_> ... we decided what is on that link https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1538#issuecomment-1302340125
20:22:12 <Caroline_> ... the privacy group replied here https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1526#issuecomment-1292637956
20:22:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1542
20:23:00 <Caroline_> ... I am starting to draft a response and will share with the Plenary and also the other editors https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1542
20:23:07 <Caroline_> ... if you have any considerations, please let me know
20:24:12 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1536
20:24:45 <Caroline_> ... I haven't had the time to look at this issue Definition of dcat:spatialResolutionInMeters incompatible/problematic with JSON-LD https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1536
20:25:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> pchampin: problem with JSON number xsd:decimal, long discussion on whether the problem is about JSON-lD or xsd
20:26:23 <Caroline_> scribe: riccardoAlbertoni
20:26:24 <pchampin> scribe+
20:26:38 <Caroline_> scribe: pchampin
20:26:47 <pchampin> pchampin: for DCAT, I believe that the solution would be to accept both xsd:double and xsd;decimal for that property
20:27:23 <annette_g> q+
20:28:02 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:28:02 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to make a suggestion about the checksums and to
20:28:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> pchampin: I am going to prepare a PR
20:29:08 <riccardoAlbertoni> annette_g: I wonder how difficult is for people to read the two types
20:29:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> pchampin: I think this should not impact much, I need to doublecheck
20:30:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> pchampin: when you put a number in JSONLD is canonilize in the e notation, and that is part of the problem
20:31:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> annette_g: I do not know I have to think about how it impact
20:31:41 <Caroline_> q?
20:32:41 <pchampin> q+
20:33:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:33:33 <Caroline_> ack pchampin
20:34:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> pchampin: the verifiable credential describe the solution suggested by annette, verifiable credentian are a way to embed the graph,
20:34:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:35:04 <Caroline_> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:35:08 <Caroline_> scribe: Caroline_
20:35:49 <pchampin> s/to embed the graph/to embed the graph, together with metadata including cryptographic signature/
20:36:10 <annette_g> annette_g: we need to provide some guidance for how to let users know how a checksum was calculated. Could we add a property that is the URL of a description of how it was calculated?
20:36:59 <Caroline_> riccardoAlbertoni: I think we should point to possible solutions, but the DCAT it is not a Best Practice document. It could be risky to provide it. I am not sure we are in the position to have a deep discussion about it and
20:37:07 <annette_g> q+
20:37:29 <Caroline_> ... it is a new requirement. An important one, but we are at the end of the standarization
20:38:17 <Caroline_> ... if the proposal goes forward, I suggest to include it
20:38:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> ?q
20:38:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:38:34 <Caroline_> pchampin: I can propose an additional task
20:38:36 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:38:39 <Caroline_> scribe: riccardoAlbertoni
20:39:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> how verifiable credential work with the efforts coming from other groups?
20:39:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> annette_g: how verifiable credential work with the efforts coming from other groups?
20:39:56 <Caroline_> q?
20:40:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> annette_g: If we include checksum for distribution we need to admit that the integrity opf metadata is in scope
20:40:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:41:01 <Caroline_> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:41:07 <Caroline_> scribe: Caroline_
20:41:30 <annette_g> annette_g: a checksum is absolutely no use if it is not calculated in the same way each time. I don't believe we can offer a property that is a checksum without dealing with this issue.
20:41:42 <Caroline_> riccardoAlbertoni: I think we need a document about the security and integrity to provide guidance
20:41:42 <pchampin> q+
20:41:53 <Caroline_> ... I don't think it is only a DCAT problem
20:42:09 <Caroline_> ... I agree we must acknowledge that the integrity of metadata is included
20:42:35 <Caroline_> ... at the same time, the solution that is been required is at the same level of DWBP, which is more transversal
20:42:57 <annette_g> q+
20:43:17 <Caroline_> ... I don't think we are in the position to do it, since the recommendation is to make a DCAT standard, not best practices
20:43:21 <Caroline_> ack pchampin
20:43:48 <Caroline_> pchampin: the standards are going to be complementary
20:44:15 <Caroline_> ... +1 that we should not try to reinvent the wheel
20:44:49 <Caroline_> ... let's point to existing standards that already talk about it
20:44:52 <Caroline_> ack annette_g
20:45:14 <Caroline_> annette_g: I think it is hard to get people to adopt the verifiable credentials
20:45:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> annette_g: one concern is that adopting verifiable credential can be a barrier to the adoption of checksum
20:45:36 <Caroline_> scribe: riccardoAlbertoni
20:47:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> pchampin: the way they define thing is very general, verifiable credential require jsonld, i can simpatize with your worrying, but at least it is something we can point at
20:48:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> pchampin: I am wary to trying to come up with owr own naive solution
20:48:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> annette_g: no one wants that
20:49:50 <annette_g> annette_g: I wouldn't want us to limit the utility of the checksum property to those who are using json-ld or verifiable credentials.
20:50:25 <annette_g> ... If we use a URL, that can be used to link to any method of generating the checksum. What's important is that we enable people to indicate this aspect of the checksum.
20:50:47 <annette_g> ...I don't think the checksum proposal is complete enough for real world use without this.
20:50:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
20:51:00 <Caroline_> ack riccardoAlbertoni
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20:51:23 <Caroline_> riccardoAlbertoni: I wonder if we need to put this as a requirement for other groups
20:52:24 <Caroline_> ... if I understand annette_g concerns, what we are doing is not covering all that DCAT need to address
20:53:07 <Caroline_> ... perhaps instead of doing a wide solution we could see the missing parts
20:53:27 <Caroline_> ... which requirements of other groups could contribute
20:53:58 <Caroline_> ... for instance, in the case of RDF, there is another group working on it. So we could put our requirements
20:54:51 <Caroline_> annette_g: you are not comparing the same things
20:55:18 <Caroline_> ... we trying to ensure that what we are downloading is accurate
20:55:36 <Caroline_> ... we want the metadata to be public so we need a trustful source
20:55:59 <pchampin> https also guarantees that you are "talking" to the genuine server
20:56:02 <Caroline_> ... I didn't find anything about it yet
20:57:30 <pchampin> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Digest
20:58:01 <Caroline_> scribe: riccardoAlbertoni
20:59:43 <annette_g> annette_g: https doesn't ensure that the server you contact is authoritative, only that it is run by the person who requested the certificate.
20:59:57 <pchampin> yes, my bad :)
21:00:32 <Caroline_> scribe: Caroline_
21:00:54 <Caroline_> riccardoAlbertoni: I am not sure there is a guide to achieve it
21:01:03 <Caroline_> pchampin: I will check about it
21:02:44 <Caroline_> regrets+ AndreaPerego, antoine, Peter
21:02:46 <annette_g> annette: the issue arises because it's not obvious how to generate single checksum for multiple files, and which files are included
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