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10:01:26 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture + Profile
10:01:44 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool
10:01:52 <kaz> chair: Lagally
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10:05:55 <mlagally> zakim, who is on the call?
10:05:55 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool
10:05:59 <McCool> topic: Minutes
10:06:26 <McCool> ml: call notes from yesterday (covering arch topics) and last week
10:06:43 <McCool> ml: minutes from 27 Oct 2022
10:07:23 <McCool> kaz: already reviewed, so do not have to do it again
10:07:47 <McCool> ml: ok, let's look at Nov 2 minutes
10:08:00 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-profile-minutes.html Nov-2
10:08:15 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima
10:09:33 <McCool> ml: no objections?  ...
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10:09:38 <McCool> ... let's publish
10:09:53 <McCool> topic: Contributions
10:10:16 <McCool> subtopic: PR 872 and related issue
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10:11:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/872 PR 872 - Update CR and Norm/Inf for section 7
10:12:30 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/872/1c7ba10...mmccool:415982c.html#sec-building-blocks diff
10:13:17 <kaz> q+
10:14:57 <kaz> kaz: clarification question
10:15:03 <sebastian> q+
10:15:21 <Ege> q+
10:15:45 <kaz> ... this PR 872 makes (1) most of the section 7 non-normative and (2) 7.4 WoT Discovery and 7.5 WoT Binding Templates normative
10:15:53 <kaz> ... is that correct?
10:15:53 <kaz> ack k
10:15:55 <kaz> mm: right
10:16:07 <kaz> kaz: 7.4 may be OK
10:16:18 <kaz> ... but 7.5 is about WoT Binding Templates
10:16:33 <kaz> ... does that section really include normative assertions?
10:16:37 <kaz> mm: yes
10:16:47 <kaz> ... not one but many assertions included there
10:18:36 <kaz> q?
10:18:37 <kaz> q+
10:18:42 <kaz> ack s
10:18:53 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
10:20:05 <McCool> q+
10:20:44 <kaz> ack e
10:24:38 <kaz> sk: think we should make the section "7.5 WoT Binding Templates" non-normative
10:24:40 <kaz> ek: +1
10:24:42 <kaz> kaz: +1
10:24:51 <sebastian> +1
10:26:10 <kaz> mm: I'm OK with that direction
10:26:46 <kaz> ... note that the section "7.4 WoT Discovery" could be also non-normative since we can remove the assertions within that section
10:27:34 <sebastian> q+
10:27:38 <kaz> ... the necessary assertions for WoT Discovery are defined by the "WoT Discovery" specification already
10:27:40 <kaz> ack k
10:27:42 <kaz> ack m
10:28:01 <kaz> sk: would agree with McCool
10:28:39 <kaz> q+
10:29:17 <kaz> ... making the whole section "7 WoT Building Blocks" would make the situation easier
10:29:20 <McCool> q+
10:29:37 <kaz> ... and give readers less confusions
10:29:40 <kaz> ack s
10:31:43 <kaz> ack k
10:32:10 <kaz> kaz: I'm OK with making "7.4 WoT Discovery" as well non-normative
10:32:11 <Ege> q+
10:32:40 <kaz> ... and making the whole section "7 WoT Building Blocks" also non-normative
10:33:33 <kaz> ... another question might be whether we want to say "WoT Runtime MUST support WoT Thing Description.", etc., at the beginning of the section "7 WoT Building Blocks"
10:33:41 <mlagally> q?
10:33:46 <McCool> ack m
10:33:46 <kaz> mm: need to see the section 7 carefully
10:35:05 <kaz> ... also wondering if it's OK if I update section 7.5 WoT Binding Templates
10:35:10 <kaz> ek: that's fine
10:35:57 <kaz> mm: I'll work on a new Pullrequest then
10:36:14 <kaz> s/I'll/I can/
10:36:58 <mlagally> proposal: McCool creates a single PR that makes all RFC2119 assertions in chapter 7 (7.4 and 7.5) informative text. Arch TF approves the PR via email within 24 hours. WG is requested to approve CR transition by email until Wednesday noon next week.
10:37:22 <kaz> ek: please remember you need to update the test results for the Implementation Report
10:37:27 <kaz> mm: will handle that too
10:38:51 <mlagally> proposal: McCool creates a single PR that makes all RFC2119 assertions in chapter 7 (7.4 and 7.5) informative text. Arch TF approves the PR via email within 24 hours, i.e. if there's no objection the PR will be merged. Likewise the WoT WG is requested to approve CR transition by email until Wednesday noon next week.
10:39:03 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
10:39:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:39:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/03-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:39:19 <sebastian> +1
10:39:22 <mlagally> resolution: McCool creates a single PR that makes all RFC2119 assertions in chapter 7 (7.4 and 7.5) informative text. Arch TF approves the PR via email within 24 hours, i.e. if there's no objection the PR will be merged. Likewise the WoT WG is requested to approve CR transition by email until Wednesday noon next week.
10:40:02 <McCool> topic: profile
10:40:04 <kaz> i/call notes fro yesterday/scribenick: McCool/
10:40:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:40:07 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pulls
10:40:22 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
10:40:29 <McCool> ml: would like to switch over now and look at pending pull requests, several of which have already been approved
10:40:46 <McCool> subtopic: PR 293
10:40:53 <kaz> i/Update CR and/scribenick: kaz/
10:40:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:41:08 <McCool> ml: previously security was only allowed at top level, this removes that, and allows them on forms
10:41:26 <McCool> ... this allows more sensitive affordances to have additional security
10:41:36 <McCool> ... any objections?
10:41:39 <McCool> ... none, merged
10:41:53 <kaz> i|previously|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/293 PR 293 - Allow security metadata on Forms - closes #292/
10:41:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:42:00 <McCool> subtopic: PR 294
10:42:11 <McCool> ml: this makes security bootstrapping mandatory
10:42:42 <kaz> i|this makes|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/294 PR 294 - Make security bootstrapping mandatory - closes #250/
10:43:17 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-profile/294/5912319...benfrancis:6afbeb0.html#common-constraints-security diff - 6.3 Security
10:43:54 <McCool> mm: I am ok with these, but note that this only applies to discovery
10:44:11 <McCool> ... if we want security bootstrapping everywhere, we have to allow the "auto" security scheme
10:44:37 <McCool> ... I suggest we create an issue for the auto security scheme, otherwise I am ok with this PR
10:44:52 <Ege> q+
10:45:05 <McCool> ml: creates issue #313 for auto scheme, assigns mmccool
10:46:14 <McCool> ege: was there not another Pr revising the list of security schemes?
10:48:00 <McCool> ml: looks like a merge conflict, PR still has the old list of security schemes
10:48:07 <McCool> ... let's try to fix
10:48:43 <McCool> ... no, it looks like the conflict was with the other PR that removed restriction to top level
10:48:49 <McCool> ... (fixes)
10:49:11 <McCool> ... (checks diff)
10:50:12 <McCool> ... old security schemes still in diff, but let's merge and see if it still needs fixing after
10:50:28 <McCool> mm: I will remove them when I do my PR if necessary.
10:50:58 <sebastian> q+
10:51:30 <McCool> subtopic: PR 297
10:51:57 <Ege> q-
10:52:00 <McCool> ml: this is moving content out into a requirements document
10:52:11 <McCool> ... but it also makes a lot of other changes
10:52:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:52:27 <McCool> seb: however, I do think over all it is a big improvement
10:52:58 <McCool> ... it makes the exposition much more straightforward
10:53:26 <kaz> i|this is moving|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/297 PR 297 - Revised Abstract and Introduction - fixes #115 and fixes #190/
10:53:51 <kaz> s|190/|190|
10:53:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:53:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/03-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:54:32 <McCool> ... I think that very detailed explanations, motivations, etc. can go into an explainer
10:54:45 <McCool> ml: (makes notes on PR)
10:55:03 <sebastian> q?
10:55:05 <sebastian> ack s
10:55:24 <McCool> ml: we don't have an explainer yet...
10:55:32 <McCool> mm: but will need one soon
10:55:54 <kaz> q+
10:55:57 <McCool> ml: (see notes on PR)
10:56:36 <McCool> seb: a simple example at the very beginning would also be helpful, and it more interesting than 5-6 pages of justification; I can support and provide an example
10:57:38 <McCool> ml: suggest that we split into multiple PRs, one for requirements, one for explainer, one for improved intro
10:58:14 <McCool> ... will ask ben to restructure
10:58:34 <McCool> ... please do say that sebastian was quite in favor of the change, we just want to organize it better
10:59:06 <McCool> kaz: agree that smaller topic-by-topic PR is better
10:59:28 <McCool> ... one more point - might want to have a requirements document and consolidated explainer
10:59:52 <McCool> ... for all of WoT, not just profiles
11:00:02 <McCool> mm: please bring that up when we do the next charter
11:00:48 <McCool> subtopic: PR 311
11:01:00 <McCool> ml: adds summary of assertions
11:01:14 <McCool> mm: ok with merging, but yes, I do plan to update the IR shortly
11:01:23 <kaz> i|adds|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/311 PR 311 - Oct Testfest - summary table|
11:01:24 <McCool> ml: merges this Pr
11:01:55 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:01:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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