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10:59:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
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11:01:33 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally
11:03:29 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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11:06:12 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_.28combined_Profile_.2B_Architecture.29_Nov_2nd.2C_2022
11:06:41 <kaz> q+
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11:09:24 <sebastian> topic: minutes
11:09:34 <kaz> i|minutes|MM: we should add time limits to the issues. We can do it at the end|
11:09:45 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/26-wot-profile-minutes.html
11:09:52 <kaz> i/we should/topic: agenda/
11:10:06 <kaz> s/html/html Oct-26/
11:10:12 <sebastian> ML: objections?
11:10:14 <kaz> ack k
11:10:15 <sebastian> MM: no
11:10:29 <kaz> present- Kunihiok_Toumura
11:10:35 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
11:10:39 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/10/27-wot-arch-minutes.html
11:10:44 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
11:10:59 <sebastian> ML: in this call we made a resolution
11:11:11 <sebastian> <ML shows the resolution>
11:11:17 <mlagally> Webasto
11:11:19 <kaz> i/html/html Oct-27/
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11:12:08 <sebastian> ML: I want to add the company name of the planed guest
11:12:29 <kaz> s/planed guest/planned guest/
11:12:33 <kaz> q+
11:12:45 <sebastian> <ML shows the publication plans>
11:14:05 <sebastian> MM: 8. December is too late we should do the request some weeks earlier
11:14:38 <kaz> s/ML: I want to add the company name of the planed guest//
11:14:41 <sebastian> Kaz: There is no need to mention the comany for now. We can do it when the guest is showing up
11:14:51 <sebastian> s/comany/company
11:15:07 <kaz> s/Kaz: There is no need to mention the comany for now. We can do it when the guest is showing up//
11:15:19 <sebastian> ok
11:15:23 <kaz> s/ok//
11:16:59 <sebastian> ML: requests that the minutes should mention that PR #862 has no group consensus
11:17:53 <sebastian> ... instead of "ok" there should be "I object"
11:19:39 <sebastian> ML: any objections?
11:20:26 <sebastian> no
11:20:40 <sebastian> topic: Publication Schedule
11:21:20 <sebastian> MM: targing 8. December is to dangerous, we should do the CR tranistion request earlier
11:22:44 <sebastian> s/targing/targeting
11:23:25 <sebastian> ML: I agree
11:23:28 <kaz> s/to dan/too dan/
11:23:36 <sebastian> topic: Issues to close
11:23:59 <sebastian> <ML shows issues that can be closed>
11:24:13 <kaz> i|targ|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md schedule|
11:24:21 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aclose
11:24:30 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22close+next+week%22
11:25:10 <Ege> q+
11:25:14 <sebastian> q+
11:25:55 <sebastian> <ML shows issue by CR transition>
11:26:02 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22by+CR+transition%22
11:27:30 <McCool_> q+
11:27:33 <sebastian> ML: we should evaluate the use cases. The task is to complete the assessment for architecture.
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11:27:52 <sebastian> ... it is a shame that we have no ansear for geo location
11:28:04 <sebastian> s/ansear/answear
11:28:46 <sebastian> Kaz: We should clearifiy what is a must for the CR and what can be defered to the next version
11:28:46 <kaz> ack k
11:29:27 <kaz> ack e
11:29:53 <sebastian> ML: Profile would ansewear the geo location topic, there is already a placeholder
11:30:33 <kaz> s/ansewear/answer/
11:32:03 <sebastian> Ege: We already fullfill the current charter. Use cases should be used to identify topics for new charter.
11:32:25 <kaz> s/meeting: WoT Profile/meeting: WoT Architecture + WoT Profile/
11:32:29 <sebastian> ... TD already supports geo locations. There are examples.
11:32:31 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:32:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:32:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
11:32:39 <kaz> q?
11:32:49 <kaz> q+
11:33:48 <kaz> ack s
11:34:25 <kaz> ack mc
11:34:55 <sebastian> SK: we should conentrate on the PRs and we should not do use case dicussion
11:35:29 <sebastian> s/dicussion/discussion
11:38:08 <McCool_> (we need to move on; there is no way we have time to add a good spec for geolocation at this point, so we need to simply have a clear resolution to defer it (and other requirements) to the next version)
11:38:21 <sebastian> +1
11:38:36 <McCool_> q+
11:39:09 <sebastian> Kaz: There should be issues provided that address use case topic. E.g., there should be geolocation issue in the TD repo that address this topic.
11:39:25 <sebastian> s/topic/topics
11:40:34 <kaz> ack k
11:40:40 <kaz> ack m
11:40:57 <sebastian> topic: PR
11:41:09 <sebastian> <ML shows overview>
11:41:19 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pulls
11:42:06 <sebastian> subtopic: PR 858
11:42:14 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/858
11:42:15 <kaz> s/this topic./this topic. If some of the requirements are not covered by any of the specs yet, we should identify those features "to be deferred"./
11:42:35 <sebastian> PR about prep for CR, finalize IR and document at-risk items
11:42:58 <sebastian> <MM shows the rendered version>
11:43:06 <kaz> s/858/858 PR 858 - Prep for CR, finalize IR and document at-risk items/
11:44:22 <sebastian> MM: There is a new text about the exit CR
11:44:53 <sebastian> ML: looks good
11:45:17 <kaz> -> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/wot-architecture/a1aecbf83fcd5a20e8e06c226edf454f90ecf729/publication/ver11/3-cr/Overview.html Rendered draft of ver11/3-cr/Overview.html
11:46:12 <sebastian> MM: also fixed some typos and respec errors
11:46:18 <Ege> +1
11:46:22 <sebastian> ML: I'm ok to merge, any objections?
11:46:25 <sebastian> no
11:47:15 <sebastian> subtopic: PR 862 and PR 871
11:47:27 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/862
11:47:52 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/871
11:48:01 <kaz> s/862/862 PR 862 - Option 1: Switch Profile to non-normative section/
11:48:19 <kaz> s/871/871 PR 871 - Option 2: Define whole Chapter 7 non-normative/
11:48:48 <kaz> q+
11:49:03 <sebastian> MM: there is no assertation in Chapter 7 there is no need to define the whole chapter 7 normative
11:49:31 <sebastian> ML: another alternative we can mark the Profile section as "at-risk"
11:50:03 <McCool_> q+
11:50:15 <kaz> ack k
11:51:18 <sebastian> Kaz: I'm ok with Option 2, however, we need to clearify our policy for the transition
11:52:14 <sebastian> MM: I think option 2 is the most easy solution here, it has no asserations.
11:52:17 <kaz> s/clearify/clarify/
11:52:18 <sebastian> Ege: Im ok with it
11:52:32 <sebastian> ML: any objections?
11:52:47 <sebastian> ... then lets merge this
11:52:50 <kaz> s/for the transition/for testing and explain the policy for the CR Transition./
11:53:49 <sebastian> ML: Problem solved, I will also close Option 1
11:53:50 <McCool_> q+
11:54:07 <sebastian> subtopic: PR  855
11:54:21 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/862
11:55:38 <Ege> q+
11:55:51 <sebastian> <ML shows the rendered version with the change>
11:56:15 <kaz> s/862/855 PR 855 - Clarify interaction affordance binding mechanisms/
11:56:21 <sebastian> Ege: It breaks the TD design.
11:57:04 <kaz> i|It b|-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-architecture/855/efb4cf6...9a0169e.html#hypermedia-driven 6.7.1 Hypermedia-driven
11:57:11 <McCool_> q+
11:57:27 <sebastian> ... personally, I would no support this
11:57:38 <sebastian> s/no/not
11:59:37 <kaz> ack mc
11:59:53 <kaz> q+
12:00:05 <Ege> ack e
12:00:25 <mlagally> proposal: Accept the current editor's draft as the CR candidate. Some editorial changes to incorporate the changes from PR #871.
12:00:45 <mlagally> proposal: Accept the current editor's draft as the CR candidate including some editorial changes to incorporate the changes from PR #871.
12:02:37 <Ege> +1
12:02:40 <sebastian> ML: any objections?
12:02:42 <sebastian> +1
12:02:48 <McCool_> +1
12:02:57 <kaz> same changes to the ED: https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/#sec-building-blocks to be applied to the the CR draf
12:03:02 <kaz> s/draf/draft/
12:03:55 <mlagally> resolution: Accept the current editor's draft as the candidate for CR transition.
12:04:07 <sebastian> adjourn
12:04:56 <kaz> s|CR draft|CR draft at: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/main/publication/ver11/3-cr/|
12:05:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
12:07:15 <kaz> chair: Lagally
12:07:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/11/02-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
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