Meeting minutes
<Bill_Kasdorf> nobody's on the Zoom--I must have an outdated link.
<Bill_Kasdorf> never mind, hi, Charles!
<Paul_Belfanti> Apologies, Zoom has decided to install updates...
Review use case submitted by Gautier Chomel https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/46
Paul - here we are at the first agenda item, Gautier did a use case, so let's look at it here
We should come up with a protocol for reviewing these..
… I don't think this is going to be an unknown topic here
Bill he did a very good job structuring this
Paul, this is very epub focused, and our scope is broader than that
perhaps we can add "or website"
Bill Can you make annotations on a website? You can bookmark a web page...
Charles a third-party host might be a solution
<CharlesL> https://
Bill like a third party product?
Paul we can add some comments to this, and the next step is to bring this to the publishing community
I think this is ready for incubation, I'll get it on the list for the next meeting
Bill, there are things people are looking at, like locators, that could relate to this.
addressability is the problem
Paul what do you mean by addressability?
Bill the ability to point to a location within a location within a particular resource, we have CFI in Epub
Charles mentioned hypothesis of outside website in Use Case comments
Review additional use cases (if any)
Paul, we have no Use Cases, so we can talk about getting more
I'm hopeful I'll be able to connect, but it's clearly going to be time consuming to find the right person who is ready and willing
I'm afraid the response would be too big if I post this on LinkedIN
SUSAN: I've had two good interviews
I'm still collating the data
I spoke to a librarian who manages digital collections
And an ebook producer consultant
<Bill_Kasdorf> Sue, were those education-focused?
Bill, yes.
<Bill_Kasdorf> Excellent!
I can share my Miro board with the data
She had a lot to say!
Yes, she works for a University
Graduate level clinical students. She helps them with their research
Sue's Miro board with interview data
https://
Charles are journals worth looking into?
Bill most journals are online or use PDF, I'm doing a presentation on accessibility, and I make the point that a journal article is just html
I have a slide about What's so good about epub? I go line by line for six or eight advantages
I get acomment "What about PDFs"? and I point out that it isn't as accessible as epub
Bill I'm a member if Jats4r ? working group, working on Jax xml which is the linqua franca of journal publishing. I am on the accessibility task force.
I'm meeting with a physics based group that manages a server full of articles, highly visible, and will be talking with them about accessibility.
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He's another good intervie candidate — what obsticles are you finding?
The biggest obstacle with journal articles is that the writers just want PDFs
Bill -I've got a slide that says "my journal readers want a PDF because that's what journal articles should look like"
Charles: that brings up another use case, DSO offices, students are asking for PDFs of a single chapter. What we need to be able to do is split up content in smaller pieces
… there is probably a blind person who doesn't want a PDF
Bill there are probably html entities that are just chapters? Is it possible to pull those out
Charles if you had a server, you could send a link to the student that extracts only that chapter
Paul: that sounds like a problem that can be solved with technology that exists today
Charles what I keep hearing from DSO offices is that it is easy to take a chapter out of a PDF, but not an EPUB
Typically when the DSO department gets a request from a student they ask for the PDF from the publisher
Paul the DSO offices usually just ask for the raw data and they do the heavy lifting
<Paul_Belfanti> DSO = Disability Services Office
Bill just extracting that html file might not be sufficient, there may be images and fonts, especially if diacriticals or special scripts are required
Charles to make it more broad, when extracting a chapter from an EPUB we would want the flexibility to make it a web page
Students don't know how to deal with epubs
Bill, they probably all have Kindles or Kobos but don't realize it started as an epub
Charles: I will try to write up that use case today
Paul, this was a good meeting
Susan: I like this time, too