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17:53:53 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
17:54:07 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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18:07:59 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Design Discussion for AT Support Tables
18:10:17 <Matt_King> MK: Goal to have AT support tables for at least a few examples in APG before year end.
18:10:32 <isaacdurazo> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2520
18:10:43 <isaacdurazo> present+
18:10:47 <jongund> present+
18:11:36 <Matt_King> Isaac: This shows a stretch goal of embedding capability so people can share/use these tables on other sites.
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18:12:25 <Matt_King> The baseline goal for this first build would show the table of support for 3 screen readers and multiple browsers.
18:12:45 <Matt_King> Still working on adding version numbers to AT.
18:12:58 <Matt_King> We don't yet show that in aria-at.
18:14:58 <jamesn> q+
18:17:38 <jongund> scribe: jongund
18:17:46 <Matt_King> Matt: described aria-at working process and definition of test plan status
18:18:05 <jongund> JN: Have you looked as CSS reporting for WPT, its something out there
18:18:21 <jongund> ID: They use numbers rather than progess bars
18:18:44 <jongund> JN: I am not saying I like it, it has accessibility problems, maybe we can work with them
18:19:05 <jongund> ID: I lost the last part
18:19:24 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-color-4/#the-color-property
18:19:25 <jongund> JN: I think we should work with other groups for consisency and accessibility
18:19:35 <jongund> MK: Are you talking about the presentation
18:20:08 <jongund> JN: They are using pie charst with green and red, which is not accessible
18:20:44 <jongund> MK: For at least this first iteration, we do not want to expand the scope
18:21:18 <jongund> MK: If you have some feed back that would work for us and WPT, we could get feedback from APG ussers
18:21:22 <jamesn> ack me
18:21:28 <jongund> MK: That might be a first step
18:22:00 <jongund> JN: I will think about that, and I like consistency
18:22:09 <jongund> JN: We need it for ARIA spec too
18:22:21 <jongund> MK: I like the idea of consistency as a target
18:22:54 <jongund> MK: Right now WPT is using pies and we are using progress bars
18:23:31 <jongund> ID: We are using spec document, I have not seen the pie charts, x out of y in ttheir results and then they use color codes...
18:23:59 <jongund> ID: One thing that I am wondering percent versus numbers
18:24:13 <jongund> ID: You don't know the number of tests
18:25:23 <jongund> JG: Concerned about using the numbers, it maybe too much informationo
18:26:02 <jongund> MK: I feel strongly about the numbers, we will be using it for new features, and there will be questions about implementation
18:26:30 <jongund> MK: I think our readers will understand
18:26:50 <jongund> JN: Can we promote competition for implementation
18:27:23 <jongund> MK: I have two different forms of slider or carousel, if they are different people can compare implementation
18:27:46 <jongund> MK: Helping people make simple comparisons is important on implementation
18:28:01 <jongund> ID: I like the idea of helping people compare
18:28:11 <jongund> ID: Can we move to next item
18:28:30 <jongund> ID: The table will be assistive technology support
18:28:45 <jongund> ID: We will have a paragraph instead of a table evenetually
18:29:14 <jongund> ID: We will be changing the structure of the table, there will be more ATs than browsers, so more columsn than rows
18:29:39 <jongund> ID: Adding "candidate" versus "recommended"
18:30:10 <jongund> ID: The cells are clickable and take you to aria-at results
18:30:32 <jongund> ID: When you click the progress bar it will take you to the test plan
18:31:19 <jongund> ID: When you click on the embed button it will open something to copy... lot's of options....
18:31:28 <jongund> ID: That is for next year
18:31:58 <jongund> MK: That's great
18:32:29 <jongund> MK: When there is no data, I want people to know not to scroll down there
18:32:39 <jongund> ID: The heading will be updated
18:33:03 <jongund> MK: "Data is not available", thank you Issac
18:33:09 <Matt_King> TOPIC: QA plan for restructured repository
18:33:43 <jongund> MK: I have added to the PR a plan for what reviewers need to do, three different buckets
18:34:02 <jongund> MK: We are not ready for that yet, alex is on the call
18:34:17 <jongund> MK: This is a PR that keeps gettign more complex
18:34:27 <jongund> MK Alex can you share where we are?
18:35:21 <jongund> AF: I am working on the WAI ARIA repo, I hope to have a link a week or so, we will have a simplier build system
18:35:33 <jongund> AF: We are gettign somewhere
18:36:00 <jongund> MK: Are there any technical issues, last week we talked about the warning and note classes
18:36:26 <jongund> MK: There are 44 notes, will you be able to change the classes to markup
18:36:59 <jongund> AF: I am not including that in the week time line, it would be helpful for some one to change the classes to markup
18:37:29 <jongund> MK: Adding a an appropriate header...
18:38:05 <jongund> AF: It needs to be wrapped in a DIV, it is currently on alot of different elements including lists
18:38:49 <jongund> AF: We need a DIV and a headline ...
18:39:00 <jongund> JG: What is that you need?
18:39:42 <jongund> MK: I can make a branch and PR and JG could you add to it
18:39:52 <jongund> JG: I can do that
18:40:04 <jongund> AF: I think it is similar
18:40:27 <jongund> MK: I will take a look at them by Thursday, make a note to myself
18:41:03 <jongund> MK: Hopefully by next week..., I am hopoing for 6 people to help with the review
18:41:12 <jongund> MK: About 60-90 minutes for the review
18:42:00 <jongund> MK: We have until 11/30 to get it done, we will have a discussion before publishing
18:42:24 <jongund> HZ: November 8th is a holiday at UI
18:43:07 <jongund> MK: I will assign you with a bucket, we can discuss asynchronously
18:43:32 <jongund> MK: Anything else Alex?
18:43:38 <jongund> AF: I don't think so
18:44:10 <jongund> MK: If we are planning on a deploy top production, that dennis has the redirects
18:44:23 <jongund> AF: We are tracking that
18:44:28 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Checkbox key repeat fix
18:45:18 <Matt_King> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2425
18:47:07 <jongund> MK: Is there any discussion about the premise of the issue
18:47:14 <jongund> MK: Is this a bug
18:48:57 <jongund> JG: The code fix seems to make sense
18:49:21 <jongund> JN: Native checkboxes toggle on the keyup
18:49:30 <jongund> JN: Change spacebar to space
18:49:49 <jongund> MK: I requested review from sara and ..
18:50:00 <jongund> MK: JG can you review
18:50:09 <jongund> JG: Yes
18:50:24 <jongund> MK: we need functional review and JS review
18:50:38 <jongund> MK: Does this effect the regression test
18:51:04 <jongund> MK: Are there regression test issues?
18:51:12 <jongund> AF: I will look in to it
18:52:50 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Rating slider issue
18:52:57 <Matt_King> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2501
18:54:11 <jongund> MK: There is a criticism that slider should not be used for ratings
18:55:15 <jongund> JG: The issue is a disconnect between seeing something that looks like a slider and have a slider control
18:55:23 <jongund> JN: What should it be?
18:55:44 <jongund> MK: We all have opinions, use the role that looks like the thing
18:55:53 <jongund> JN: There is not a rating thing
18:56:25 <jongund> MK: Since there is not a rating role
18:57:11 <jongund> JN: We should not having something that has half stars, if you want more there should be more stars
18:57:41 <jongund> MK: JG where dod you find this?
18:57:57 <jongund> JG: I have found one, they are not common
18:58:11 <jongund> JN: I have not seen this
18:58:29 <jongund> MK: Whether it supports or doesn't support half stars
18:58:39 <jongund> MK: The half stars is the issue
18:58:43 <jongund> JN: I agree
18:59:23 <jongund> MK: We agree that half stars doesn't change whether slider is an appropriate role
19:00:01 <jongund> MK: The next bullit is more relavent about no rail for drag
19:00:27 <jongund> JN: I have to go
19:00:33 <jongund> MK: Top of the hour
19:01:02 <jongund> JG: It seems like we should get rid of the half stars
19:01:25 <jongund> MK: The WCAG point is drag
19:01:51 <jongund> MK: Since it is not obvious that it is draggable
19:02:40 <jongund> MK: That and the fact that setting it to zero is not obvious, they might be ligitament
19:04:36 <jongund> MK: I wondering a you can perceive whether you can drag, maybe there should ne something you can drag
19:05:08 <jongund> JG: Are we creating an example that will not be used in real life.
19:05:36 <jongund> MK: What are we demonstrating with this exampel that we are not doing with other examples
19:06:16 <jongund> JG: APG should be provding more clarity than questions
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