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13:53:11 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:53:11 <trackbot> Date: 21 October 2022
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13:54:41 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Oct/0008
13:54:50 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:55:03 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/10/07-forms-minutes
13:55:11 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/21-forms-minutes.html Steven
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13:59:47 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:00:26 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2323: Write spec text for xforms-submit-ready (Alain)
14:00:26 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022May/0004
14:01:35 <Steven> Alain: I have added two examples, and some properties to make it usable with the event function: using message to inspect values, and replacing an instance with replacement
14:02:01 <Steven> ACTION: Steven and Erik, check the new submit-ready text
14:02:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2325 - And erik, check the new submit-ready text [on Steven Pemberton - due 2022-10-28].
14:02:18 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
14:02:18 <Steven> mirroring (Steven)
14:02:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Oct/0006.html
14:03:22 <Steven> Erik: I don't have answers to those questions yet
14:04:01 <Steven> ... 1) Should the data be shared with default instance. In our implementation, we have an attribute that says which instance to use.
14:04:06 <Steven> Steven: If you leave it out?
14:04:15 <Steven> Erik: It doesn't mirror then
14:05:04 <Steven> ... It might be good to do that to prevent others getting to the data. You have to be explicit that you are willing to mirror.
14:05:22 <Steven> Erik: Q2 Do you copy in, or supply a reference?
14:06:19 <Steven> ... References to an ancestor would be different, so I think it matters, for 'privacy'.
14:06:28 <Steven> ... I will send an email on this to)
14:06:40 <Steven> ... Q3) Where does the event appear?
14:08:00 <Steven> ... we have an ID of the binding where the incoming events are dispatched to.
14:08:35 <Steven> ... we would either to have a special ID, I'm not convinced it should be the model.
14:09:11 <Steven> Steven: The model is where a lot of default events that gets sent, eg xforms-ready
14:09:31 <Steven> Erik: We have a way to declaratively attach listeners with XML Events
14:09:55 <Steven> ... it would also be possible to have a special ID
14:10:03 <Steven> ... to attach listeners
14:10:12 <Steven> ... for special things
14:10:28 <Steven> ... I'll write this down
14:10:43 <Steven> Steven: Q4? Events bubbling out?
14:11:13 <Steven> Erik: In general they don't bubble out.
14:11:46 <Steven> Steven: True, but you still need a mesage to dispatch an event out of the form
14:12:07 <Steven> Erik: We have a special ID for this purpose.
14:12:38 <Steven> ... so XForms would need a way to say something similar
14:13:25 <Steven> Steven: If it is not embedded, the events don't happen or just disappear?
14:13:28 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
14:14:10 <Steven> ... or maybe you could listen to events sent to the speciall ID
14:14:33 <Steven> Steven: And use that to discover if you are embedded?
14:14:38 <Steven> Erik: Possible
14:15:07 <Steven> Alain: I was thinking about passing by ref or copy.
14:15:30 <Steven> ... It is possible to have many input controls for the same node, but that wouldn't be possible if we do a copy
14:15:57 <Steven> .... I'm not sure if this is good or bad.
14:16:50 <Steven> Steven: Though hopefully the mirroring would solve that
14:17:44 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:17:58 <Steven> [None]
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14:18:14 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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