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14:45:58 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio__
14:46:19 <Fazio__> meeting: Maturity Model Subgroup
14:46:34 <Fazio__> Chair: Fazio, Sheri BH
14:48:27 <Fazio__> present+
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15:02:05 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:02:05 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, nadine, sheri_b-h, janina, jlkline, maryjom, Lionel_Wolberger, JakeAbma, kline, Lionel_Wolberger_, CharlesL, present, Fazio_, Fazio__
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15:02:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheri_B-H, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio__, jspellman, Zakim
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15:02:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
15:02:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:02:27 <janina> present+
15:02:47 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, whose here
15:02:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'whose here', Sheri_B-H
15:02:56 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:02:56 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, nadine, sheri_b-h, janina, jlkline, maryjom, Lionel_Wolberger, JakeAbma, kline, Lionel_Wolberger_, CharlesL, present, Fazio_, Fazio__
15:02:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see nadine, Lionel_Wolberger, Sheri_B-H, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio__, jspellman, Zakim
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15:05:51 <Sheri_B-H> scribe+
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15:06:34 <janina> present+
15:07:00 <janina> topic: Retirement Announced
15:07:03 <janina> https://www.w3.org/blog/2022/10/stepping-forward-on-wai-management/
15:07:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: Judy Brewer is retiring, see the link  https://www.w3.org/blog/2022/10/stepping-forward-on-wai-management/
15:07:31 <Fazio__> Agenda+ Review and Group Github Issues
15:11:06 <Sheri_B-H> discussion re: W3C transition to legal entity
15:17:27 <Fazio__> zakim, next item
15:17:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Review and Group Github Issues -- taken up [from Fazio__]
15:18:10 <Sheri_B-H> David: 76 open issues, 18 closed (closed issues are from internal comments that came pre-FPWD)
15:18:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio__: discussing how many issues are open in the github repository
15:19:15 <Sheri_B-H> David: Many issues are from the Maturity Model subgroup
15:20:27 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri: we should prioritize comments from outside the subgroup
15:20:53 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: Look at issues from Jason White and have him on next week's call
15:21:30 <Sheri_B-H> Janina - he will be in Australia for a while, the time zone isn't friendly
15:21:42 <Fazio__> Address the accessibility of entire processes in the Maturity Model. #137: https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/137
15:21:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel asks Fazio__ - can you drop here a link to the git?
15:22:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel says, got it (https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/)
15:26:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> Sheri_B-H: The issue indicates non-digital accessibility issues. W3C (and WAI and APA) do not have a mandate for non-digital accessibility.
15:27:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> Sheri_B-H: We may wish to add a statement indicating that the model addresses only digital
15:27:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio__: The model could ecompass non-digital experiences
15:29:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: Jason's issue seems to examine the entire process behind any individual proof point, and if any part of that process is inaccessible, he asks if that should be flagged
15:29:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio__: We were considering the entire process
15:30:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: A conversation with Jason would clarify this
15:30:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> Sheri_B-H: Proposes a sentence to add to the Maturity Model intro, to clarify that the scope is digital
15:31:02 <Sheri_B-H> Because WAI does not have a mandate outside of digital, it is impossible for the Maturity Model to address elements such as physical spaces or devices. It is possible for businesses to extend the Maturity Model to include dimensions such as these.
15:31:48 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri: Propose that we add something like this to the introduction
15:32:16 <Sheri_B-H> David: substitute W3C for WAI
15:33:45 <Sheri_B-H> Non-digital components are out of scope for W3C.  Therefore they are out of scope for the Maturity Model to address elements such as physical spaces or devices. It is possible for businesses to extend the Maturity Model to include dimensions such as these.
15:34:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 to Fazio saying, let's be cautious and say less
15:35:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio__: We should be cautious to not limit the maturity model
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15:39:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> Brian: Today at Intel, we have been expanding the scope of the maturity model outside of W3C's scope
15:40:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Brian: We saw it as a great foundation, a template that could be expanded to cover this scope
15:40:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> Brian: There is the word "web" everywhere, and I found myself removing that word to ensure the wider scope.
15:41:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio__: Should we have examples of organizations that have successfully used the model?
15:41:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Sheri_B-H: We have discussed having use cases. A large company indicated at TPAC that they were interested.
15:42:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Sounds like case studies are more like what we are looking at.
15:44:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio__: Then we are decided, we would like to do case studies. What organizations will we approach?
15:44:16 <Sheri_B-H> Sheri: Proposed case studies - VMware, Intel, Goldman Sachs, Benetech
15:44:21 <Sheri_B-H> need some smaller companies too
15:44:43 <Sheri_B-H> and probably should be anonymous when included in the document "large cloud software company" for example
15:45:43 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: need to re-review the document and eliminate unnecessary uses of the word web
15:46:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> We have three possibilities: An American multinational corporation; A large epub provider; A large finance leader
15:46:54 <Sheri_B-H> Janina: Will invite Jason to the next meeting.  Health and schedule willing, hopefully he can be there
15:49:13 <Sheri_B-H> Jason's second point: do all the proof points have to be digital?
15:49:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> Brian: The assessment template makes most sense currently for a small to medium sized organization
15:49:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... When collecting evidence for the proof points in a multinational corporation across multiple business units
15:49:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... like working with a sales group as opposed to a marketing group
15:50:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the proof points vary widely from the different groups
15:50:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: In order for a large corporate entity to show that they have done the best we can,
15:51:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... due to the fact that we have independent business units
15:51:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we had to collate many proof points across many different departments
15:51:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and we simply report maturity overall, but we can present the detailed evidence if asked.
15:52:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Sheri_B-H: The model is intended to be used by a segment of the organization
15:52:28 <Sheri_B-H> can be used, not is intended to be used
15:52:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> Brian: Then the challenge of how to roll it all up into one report, remains
15:52:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> \s\intended to be used\can be used
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