IRC log of wot-arch on 2022-10-13

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10:06:59 [McCool]
scribenick: McCool
10:08:02 [McCool]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf
10:08:22 [Mizushima]
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10:09:23 [McCool]
topic: minutes review sept 29 2022
10:09:51 [sebastian]
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10:10:28 [McCool]
ml: any objections to publish?
10:10:36 [McCool]
... none, will be published
10:10:39 [sebastian]
q+
10:10:40 [mlagally]
@Kaz, please publish https://www.w3.org/2022/09/29-wot-arch-minutes.html
10:11:04 [McCool]
topic: discussion
10:11:28 [McCool]
seb: if deferring profile to next charter, should we use profile slot for architecture?
10:11:45 [McCool]
ml: good idea, let's talk about that later in the schedule
10:11:53 [McCool]
topic: CR Publication
10:12:03 [McCool]
ml: need to look at open issues
10:13:15 [McCool]
subtopic: Issue 828
10:15:04 [McCool]
ml: cleanup for publication
10:15:50 [McCool]
mm: doubt there are any big issues since already cleaned up
10:16:02 [sebastian]
brb
10:17:26 [McCool]
... already been done in publication/ver11/3-cr, but may want to update it
10:19:05 [McCool]
... but all issues from html tidy, link checker, and pubrules were resolved already
10:19:25 [McCool]
... can do a sanity check but don't expect any new problems
10:20:34 [McCool]
subtopic: Issue 817
10:21:16 [ktoumura]
present+ Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Kunihiko_Toumura
10:22:26 [McCool]
mm: redundant/unnecessary assertions - suggest we do as part of the implementation report review
10:22:40 [McCool]
... e.g. we can see if any particular at-risk assertion is necessary
10:23:19 [sebastian]
back
10:25:23 [McCool]
... although most of the current at-risk assertions are in security and privacy, and those have been reviewed for redundancy and cleaned up
10:26:52 [McCool]
... so I think we should close this issue and consider the review done
10:28:12 [McCool]
... no response to request for mtg with TAG, unfortunately
10:32:41 [McCool]
... anyway, we probably need a new issue to "document at-risk items" which would add a para to the sotd and at the start of the at-risk sections, which are security and privacy, basically (which we can't delete, so this statement has to say something about reversion to informative statements)
10:33:22 [McCool]
... however, it seems there are only a couple of assertions outside of S&P that are at-risk right now
10:33:54 [McCool]
subtopic: Issue 816
10:34:22 [McCool]
mm: this is for redundant assertions; the one called out in S&P was fixed, we reviewed and did not find others
10:35:37 [McCool]
ml: follow up issues 852 and 851
10:36:47 [McCool]
subtopic: issue 815
10:37:00 [McCool]
ml: issue of document being long
10:37:09 [McCool]
mm: not sure we have time for large changes
10:38:23 [McCool]
mm: do feel it is editorial, and also the text is about use cases etc. which in the same issue is described as being needed
10:40:01 [McCool]
ml: (comments on issue)
10:41:43 [McCool]
... will keep open
10:42:03 [McCool]
subtopic: Issue 814
10:44:57 [McCool]
mm: hard to answer what fraction of existing devices are compatible
10:46:37 [McCool]
... also there is an issue of anecodatal ecosystem discussion becoming obsolete
10:47:49 [McCool]
... so better to discuss in the explainer in my opinion
10:48:36 [McCool]
seb: plugfest also has evidence, we for example have tested several commercial devices
10:49:22 [McCool]
mm: those are still point tests, still hard to get a broad view
10:51:26 [sebastian]
https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Discovery_Categories_and_Tech_Landscape
10:53:25 [sebastian]
http://w3c.github.io/wot/tech-landscape/
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scribenick: McCool_
10:57:05 [McCool_]
topic: schedule
10:57:18 [McCool_]
ml: seb's suggestion for profile, suggest a combined
10:58:30 [McCool_]
mm: would be better to focus on arch in the short term, people may be more inclined to join if they know the mtg will be focused
10:58:50 [McCool_]
... once arch is in the can, then we can look again at profile
10:58:54 [mlagally]
proposal: pause the profile work for the next 4 weeks, and after architecture CR has been done, we use both call slots for profile.
10:59:11 [McCool_]
seb: so agree that we should temporarily pause profile until arch is in CR
10:59:15 [mlagally]
proposal: temporarily pause the profile work for the next 4 weeks, and after architecture CR has been done, we use both call slots for profile.
11:00:15 [mlagally]
proposal: temporarily pause the profile work until the CR has been done. After that we use both call slots for profile.
11:01:40 [mlagally]
resolution: temporarily pause the profile work until the CR has been done. After that we use both call slots for profile.
11:02:41 [ktoumura]
[adjourned]
11:02:50 [ktoumura]
rrsagent, draft minutes
11:02:50 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/13-wot-arch-minutes.html ktoumura
11:03:07 [mlagally]
thanks!!!
11:03:17 [ktoumura]
rrsagent, make log public
11:04:16 [ktoumura]
meeting: WoT Architecture
11:04:29 [ktoumura]
rrsagent, draft minutes
11:04:29 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/13-wot-arch-minutes.html ktoumura
11:05:36 [ktoumura]
chair: Lagally
11:06:02 [ktoumura]
regrets+ Kaz
11:06:16 [ktoumura]
rrsagent, draft minutes
11:06:16 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/13-wot-arch-minutes.html ktoumura
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