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13:17:18 <kaz> meeting: WoT Discovery
14:02:13 <kaz> chair: McCool
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14:02:28 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura
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14:07:26 <acimmino> meeting starts reviewing the minutes
14:07:34 <acimmino> topic: review minutes
14:08:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/26-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-26
14:09:12 <kaz> i/meeting starts/scribenick: acimmino/
14:09:29 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:10:10 <acimmino> next topic: review PRs
14:10:20 <acimmino> sub-topic: PR #422
14:10:48 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/422 PR 422 - Clean up Siemens/Logilab results
14:10:55 <kaz> s/sub-topic:/subtopic:/
14:11:24 <acimmino> this PR was merged, it updates the siemens logilab implementation results
14:12:23 <ktoumura> +q
14:12:33 <acimmino> mccool: in general cr transition will be difficult to be done with current implementation results, many features are at risk
14:12:59 <cris_> q+
14:14:21 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#10_October_2022
14:14:53 <acimmino> mccool: it seems that only one implementation provides SPARQL capabilities. Nevertheless, there should be two.
14:15:13 <kaz> i|in general|-> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/wot-discovery/daca95eefcb71a1cddda847eb1a824d3eb099e44/testing/report.html Rendered version of the Draft Implementation Report|
14:16:07 <kaz> q?
14:16:18 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:16:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:16:53 <acimmino> mccool: it seems that wothive implementation used ; instead of , for the results and that messes up the table
14:17:02 <acimmino> mccool fixes the file
14:17:06 <kaz> s/next topic:/topic:/
14:17:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:17:48 <acimmino> mcool then updated the table, now it seems more of the SPARQL features are covered
14:19:02 <acimmino> the new table is rendered
14:19:26 <cris_> q?
14:19:38 <acimmino> mccool: upd still has a lot of features uncovered
14:21:03 <kaz> ack kt
14:21:27 <kaz> s/mcool /McCool /
14:22:01 <acimmino> ktoumura: could you check the request I made in wot-test ? #443
14:22:37 <acimmino> PR is merged adding the assertions
14:23:29 <acimmino> mccool updates the table with the new implementation report
14:23:36 <kaz> i|PR is|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/443 wot-testing PR 443 - Update Implementation Description etc.|
14:26:32 <acimmino> mccool: it seems that no at risk is changed with this new report
14:28:53 <acimmino> cris: there are two problems. One is the fact we do not check the code 404 for the SPARQL
14:29:14 <acimmino> mccool adds the ttd-unsoported-feature to the manual assertion csv
14:29:55 <acimmino> cris: the second is about the anonymous id
14:31:49 <acimmino> mccool: it seems that at the time is been tested no implementation performs this operation
14:32:10 <acimmino> cris: I think farshid's implementation should provide this feature
14:32:21 <acimmino> also, cris implementation should cover this feature
14:32:50 <acimmino> mccool: the spec should be clearer about this
14:33:14 <acimmino> mcool: cris and farshid take over this
14:34:00 <acimmino> mccool: now we have the manual test
14:34:07 <kaz> s/mcool:/mccool:/
14:34:32 <acimmino> ...only two implementations are describe as discoverer
14:34:40 <acimmino> ...we may need more
14:35:33 <acimmino> ...I'm concern that node-wot does not implements discoverer
14:35:57 <acimmino> cris: we are currently working on this, probably it will be done in two weeks
14:36:41 <acimmino> mccool: also concern about discoverer-td-identify since all discoverer should implement this
14:36:49 <acimmino> ...seems that hitachi is failing on this one
14:37:11 <acimmino> ....ktoumura is that fixable?
14:39:17 <acimmino> mccool: also first three features at risk are implemented by 0 implementations
14:39:28 <acimmino> this is odd since these describe how to talk to a directory
14:41:12 <kaz> q?
14:41:15 <kaz> ack c
14:41:23 <kaz> q+ JKRhb
14:41:25 <kaz> ack J
14:42:12 <cris_> q+
14:42:36 <acimmino> mccool: these features do not entail automatic following of links, is more providing means to follow things to users
14:43:55 <acimmino> mccool: it seems nobody has implemented thing link
14:44:34 <acimmino> mccool: personally, if this feature is dropped it is fine, but it may bring problems if we do
14:45:08 <acimmino> because a bunch of stuff depends on it, so we should check if dropping this may bring derived problems
14:45:25 <acimmino> or it would be great if we can implement these, which would also solve the problem
14:46:27 <cris_> ack c
14:46:28 <acimmino> mccool: security boostraping, I'm sure people is implementing these features but it is not filled in the table we should review
14:46:43 <acimmino> mccool: who is doing coap-based service
14:47:05 <acimmino> jan_romann: I'm dealing also with coap
14:47:27 <acimmino> mccool: that's good but we still need another one
14:47:37 <acimmino> cris: I think also node-wot implements it
14:49:21 <acimmino> mccool: similar issues occur with  different representations
14:49:55 <acimmino> q+
14:50:59 <acimmino> another odd assertion is that a successful response should return the correct content-type header
14:51:46 <acimmino> another assertion with 0 implementations is the CoRE
14:52:09 <acimmino> jan_romann: we implement it
14:52:22 <acimmino> mccool: ok, we can make it informative, but it we need two implementations
14:53:26 <acimmino> mccool: ok, these were the technical ones, now let's move to the security one
14:53:49 <acimmino> mccool: we will try to request that for security we will only need one implementation
14:57:04 <acimmino> security bootstraping using HTTP should be easy to provide
14:57:37 <kaz> q+ cris_
14:57:44 <kaz> ack c
14:59:17 <acimmino> mccool: we are out of time, but I do not feel confortable with these results
14:59:45 <acimmino> we should update and improve the results during this one week updating the manual results
15:00:06 <acimmino> but if we have all these at risk we will need to delay the PR
15:00:17 <kaz> s/we should/... we should/
15:00:22 <kaz> s/but if/... but if/
15:00:28 <cris_> q+
15:00:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:01:30 <kaz> s/because a bunch of/... because a bunch of/
15:01:38 <kaz> q+
15:01:46 <McCool_> https://github.com/mmccool/wot-discovery/blob/oct-2022-testfest-updates/testing/report.html
15:04:53 <kaz> ack ac
15:04:54 <kaz> ack cr
15:04:57 <kaz> ack k
15:05:13 <kaz> kaz: is that draft report different from the Statically version on the agenda?
15:05:15 <McCool_> https://w3c.github.io/wot-discovery/testing/report.html
15:06:14 <kaz> mccool: yes, and need to update the Statically version link as well
15:06:17 <kaz> [adjourned]
15:06:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:07:28 <kaz> i/is that/scribenick: kaz/
15:07:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:07:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:07:59 <kaz> s/another assertion/... another assertion/
15:08:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:08:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:08:16 <kaz> s/or it would be g/... or it would be g/
15:08:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:08:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:09:08 <kaz> s/another odd/... another odd/
15:09:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:09:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:09:41 <kaz> s/this is odd sin/... this is odd sin/
15:09:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:09:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:10:42 <kaz> s/security boo/... security boo/
15:10:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:10:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/10-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz