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13:50:36 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:50:36 <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2022
13:51:26 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Oct/0002
13:51:30 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:51:43 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2022/09/30-forms-minutes
13:51:51 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:51:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/07-forms-minutes.html Steven
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14:00:07 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2315: Report on event handling in web components (Erik)
14:00:07 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Oct/0001
14:00:34 <Steven> Steven: Are you just saying, it's OK, no problem?
14:00:56 <Steven> Erik: Yes, bi-directional communication with events works; documentation is less clear
14:01:03 <Steven> Steven: Great!
14:01:23 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
14:01:23 <Steven> mirroring (Steven)
14:01:23 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022Oct/0000
14:03:54 <Steven> Steven: [explains mail]
14:04:18 <Steven> Erik: You mean "control" not "command" right?
14:04:28 <Steven> Steven: Yeah, sorry, I mean control everywhere.
14:04:39 <Steven> Erik: Seems reasonable
14:06:00 <Steven> Steven: So passing data in and getting it out, is by using a @ref to an existing instance
14:06:39 <Steven> Erik: We do mirroring via @ref/binding
14:07:29 <Steven> Alain: Not just leaves, but nodes
14:07:46 <Steven> Erik: That's right
14:08:06 <Steven> Alain: A node or a nodeset?
14:08:35 <Steven> Erik: Tricky. In general @ref can point to anything, but we only take the first item
14:08:45 <Steven> ... with <repeat/> as an exception
14:08:59 <Steven> Alain: That's why I ask
14:09:46 <Steven> Erik: The way we do it is that @ref can reference something that isn't a node, but then it's readonly; not sure if that is feasible for custom controls
14:10:02 <Steven> Alaain: It could be useful for rendering sequences.
14:10:11 <Steven> ... with @value rather than @ref
14:10:25 <Steven> Erik: @ref is fine; but how do you know that it is readonly?
14:11:17 <Steven> ... there are some implementation issues that I haven't yet an answer for if you wanted to supper multiple elements or nodes
14:11:21 <Steven> Alain: or attributes
14:11:34 <Steven> Erik: We limit it
14:11:50 <Steven> ... a restriction on the binding; we require an element
14:12:02 <Steven> ... it would be good to support more
14:12:15 <Steven> ... but how do we see that from inside
14:12:21 <Steven> s/inside/inside?
14:12:47 <Steven> Alain: We also have a finction to create an element even if not in an instance
14:13:00 <Steven> ... so we might have to restrict to elements in instances
14:13:30 <Steven> Erik: The created element is going to be floating in the air, but not actually a problem
14:14:18 <Steven> Steven: I hear the issues; I will continue to work further on it.
14:14:35 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2323: Write spec text for xforms-submit-ready (Alain)
14:14:35 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2022May/0004
14:14:44 <Steven> Alain: Continues
14:15:00 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:15:45 <Steven> Steven: http://declarative.amsterdam/ is in a month's time!
14:15:51 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:15:58 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:16:03 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:16:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/07-forms-minutes.html Steven
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