IRC log of me on 2022-10-04

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Meeting: MEIG monthly meeting
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present+ Hisayuki_Ohmata, Ryo_Yasuoka, Tatsuya_Sato, Chris_Needham
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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present+ Hiroshi_Fujisawa
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present+ Francois_Daoust
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present+ Chris_Lorenzo
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present+ Kinji_Matsumura
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agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2022Sep/0023.html
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scribenick: ka
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topic: Agenda
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- Welcome
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- Brief recap of media discussions at TPAC : 5 mins
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- Hybridcast Updates with NHK: 10 mins
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- NHK work and proposals for Application Development for Consumer Products TF: 15mins
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- Q&A and discussion: 30 mins
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- AOB
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zakim, who is on the call?
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Present: Hisayuki_Ohmata, Ryo_Yasuoka, Tatsuya_Sato, Chris_Needham, Kaz_Ashimura, Hiroshi_Fujisawa, Francois_Daoust, Chris_Lorenzo, Kinji_Matsumura
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topic: TPAC 2022
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cpn: during the MEIG meeting
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... discussion on TV application development
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... media device specific APIs
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... would move forward
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... should invite interested people
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... will talk more about that
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... then
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... CTA WAVE HTML Application TF and Web Meda API snapshot updates
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... then
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... presentation from Fraunhofer on next generation audio codec support
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... new activity starting up
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i/new/... during the joint meeting with WebRTC and Media WG
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... new media architecture in browsers
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... then the new CG on Audiovisual Media Formats
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... everybody is welcome to join to participate in the discussion
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... then
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... Media WG meeting
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... MSE feature prioritization
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... pre-emptive eviction for low memory platforms
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... also DASH emsg support
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... follow up on DASH-IF. still too early with implementations
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... then
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... EME v2
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... aiming for FPWD during the Charter period (May 2023)
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... then
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...Media session
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... agreed to add actions to support slide presentations over WebRTC
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
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... Audio Focus API
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... music vs notification sound
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... interest from Apple and Mozilla for API
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... use cases for proposed API
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... then
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... WebCodecs and associated metadata
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... analyze the video for, e.g., face detection
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... use a registry approach
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... introduction for document PinP
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s/PinP/PinP API/
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... use case might be sharing your custom control
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... that is a brief summary
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... not everything, though
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q+
13:19:03 [cpn]
Kaz: Regarding, consumer device TF discussion, as I mentioned at TPAC it would make sense to collect current practices, including from NHK
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
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topic: Hybridcast updates
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@@@ slides tbd
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i/scribenick: kaz/
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sato: ToC
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... Updates on IPTVF
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... then NHK
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... [slide 3]
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... [slide 4]
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... Hybridcast diffusion status
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... annual shipments and total ones of Hybridcast TVs
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... available on over 300 TV models
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... [slide5]
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... NHK's services
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... [slide 6]
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... Media service for various devices
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... [slide 7]
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... Video streaming
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... (diagram of their system)
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... broadcast station -> Hybridcast TV
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... [slide 8]
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... Software tools for video streaming
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... developed opensouce softwares
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... Bajoo.js, Relay-miffe, Delivery-miffe
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... [slide 9]
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... Device collaboration
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... Broadcast station -> Hybridcast TV -> Hybridcast Connect -> Devices
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... [slide 10]
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... Linkage between Hybridcast and WoT
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... WoT-enabled TV services using Hybirdcast Connect at TPAC 2022
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... demo during the WoT breakout
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... [slide 11]
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... OSS for Hybridcast Connect lerners
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... opensource software for Hybridcast Connect as well
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... Hybridast Connect TV emulator, SDK, Client sample application
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... can be connected to the Hybridcast TV
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... [slide 12]
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... resources
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... NHK OPEN HOUSE 2022
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... Application GitHub repository
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... tx!
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q+
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rrsagnt, draft minutes
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cpn: really interesting
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... can you explain a bit more about the WoT demo?
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... what's happening here?
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sato: (shows their slides on the demo itself)
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@@@ slide tbd
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sato: presentation during the WoT demo breakout by Endo from NHK
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... demonstration including succor program on TV and an air cleaner
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... air cleaner's noise would be lower depending on the succor game's status
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cpn: understood
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s|@@@ slide tbd|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/PRESENTATIONS/2022-09-hybrid-f2f/2022-09-14-WoT-F2F-TPAC2022_Breakout-Endo.pdf NHK's slides on their demo during the WoT demo breakout session|
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sato: (shows the demo content within the slides)
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... event message sent from the TV side to the air cleaner side depending on the succor game's situation
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cpn: is this MTE-based?
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sato: yes
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ohmata: originally based on the event message from the TV program
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... trigger messages, e.g., start, goal, replay
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... handled by WoT and Hybridcast protocol
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cpn: make sense
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... interesting to see the detail of the mechanism
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... don't have enough time today, though
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q+
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ack c
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... do you have any description to control the TV?
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... wondering if we should discuss the detail during the future calls
13:36:07 [cpn]
s/any description/a WoT Thing Description/
13:37:10 [kaz]
ohmata: WoT protocol and Hybridcast protocol handle the message
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kaz: maybe you can show the p9 from Endo-san's slide set to describe the mechanism
13:38:17 [cpn]
Kaz: The TV also has a WoT Thing Desciprtion. Two devices using the WoT mechanism
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i/The TV/scribenick: cpn/
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q?
13:39:30 [cpn]
Kaz: Good start for collaboration with MEIG and WoT. As discussed with WebTransport people, a use cases is surveillance cameras, adding metadata annotations, handling related devices using WoT and MTE
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... That kind of collaboration would be useful
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ack k
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cpn: ok. let's have another detailed discussion for this direction again
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i/ok/scribenick: kaz/
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topic: NHK work and proposals for Application Development for Consumer Products TF
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cpn: next proposals for Consumer Products TF
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yasuoka: Case studies of Hybridcast application development...
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... [slide 1]
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... Hybridcast
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... already in service around 10 years
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... [slide 2]
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... Stakeholders and their relationship
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... IPTV Forum Japan generates Hybridcast standards
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... and operation guidelines
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... also runs conformance tests
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... for various TV manufactures and application developers
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... [slide 3]
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s/3/4/
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s/2/3/
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s/1/2
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... Performance difference
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... performance difference among various devices is a big issue
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... [slide 6]
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... Case 1: Animation rendering performance
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... focus frame movement
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... need to reduce CSS transition property to avoid the delay
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... asked the TV manufactures to improve the device, but couldn't
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... so had to reduce some of the properties
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... to improve the performance
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... [slide 7]
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... Case 2: Process when switching services
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... requirements for linear video services
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... broadcast => streaming
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... vice versa
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... quick switching after getting the trigger is expected
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...but difficult to control what will be displayed on the screen
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... due to the performance difference
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... [slide 9]
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... Performance test activities (by the IPTVF-J)
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... UX improvement for Hybridcast services
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... test categories: screen rendering, app loading, etc.
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... [slide 10]
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... Test 1: Animation by sprite sheet
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... 8-sec horizontal moveent of an image
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... measured 10 times on 6 different TVs
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... results vary...
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... expectation was 8 sec every time
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s/time/time, though/
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... [slide 11]
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... Test 2: Browser launch time
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... time span between launch button pressed and invocation
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... [slide 12]
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... conclusion and discussion
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... past and ongoing challenges on performance issues
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... how can the application developers and TV vendors contribute to the TF?
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... what can they expect?
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... can provide use cases based on our experience
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s/use cases/our use cases/
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... questions? comments?
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
13:53:12 [kaz]
cpn: tx!
13:53:42 [kaz]
... ChrisL, any comments?
13:53:58 [kaz]
cl: interesting discussion on pushing Web and browsers for applications on TV
13:54:03 [kaz]
... major challenge
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... need to increase the performance for TV apps
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... for transitions and animations, the performance is not enough
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... and need to reduce the animations, etc.
13:55:07 [kaz]
... not sure if you're aware of Lightning platform which uses WebRTC
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... let me post the resource
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cpn: aspects here, we've not considered for the TF discussion
13:55:40 [ChrisLorenzo]
Developer Experience - https://github.com/w3c/media-and-entertainment/pull/92/files?short_path=753fd1d#diff-753fd1d9b2d6cb55d78b5c965fca3387ca62e617d22e89a0121d86ebdf23059b
13:55:51 [kaz]
... very much consistent with what ChrisL has been mentioning
13:56:00 [ChrisLorenzo]
https://github.com/w3c/media-and-entertainment/blob/master/app-development/charter.md
13:56:11 [kaz]
... one of the techniques we use is
13:56:16 [ChrisLorenzo]
Framework for performance on TV apps - https://lightningjs.io/
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... enabling features on TV to be tested
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... framework to allow conditionally able/disable the feature
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... if less capable, disable the feature
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... the other thing interesting is start up performance time for Hybridcast applications
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yasuoka: (shows the Test 2 results again)
13:57:43 [ChrisLorenzo]
Can we get the link to the slides on here?
13:57:44 [kaz]
cpn: any insights to what the cause of the delays here?
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... how does it vary with the browser implementations?
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yasuoka: it's difficult to describe the detail
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cpn: any additional measurement where the TV is spending the time?
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... e.g., the browser itself is a large application binary
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... and needs to load big memory at once
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... way to instrument the details?
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yasuoka: green part depends on the network connections
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s/green/firstly, green/
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... need to dig into the detailed behavior of Hybridcast implementation
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crisL: the user press the launch button is time 0
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... the browsers already receive the responnse
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s/responnse/response/
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... then HTTP connection
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... then load the page content
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... browsers do that quickly, actually
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... what the difference on A-J here?
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yasuoka: TV model variations
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... available in Japan
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crisL: ok
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... this is very similar with smartphones variation
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... A and J are very fast
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cpn: yeah, that's interesting
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... are those faster ones the latest models?
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... or most expensive ones?
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yasuoka: newer ones are faster
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crisL: WAVE guys are doing similar tests
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present+ Tatsuya_Igarashi
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... some TVs have powerful chips
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... and some don't
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q+
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cpn: interesting approach
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present+
14:05:42 [kaz]
... not sure if it's within the scope of W3C, though
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q?
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... similar to the CTA WAVE's activity
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14:07:24 [cpn]
Kaz: TV device performance may be out of scope, but getting this kind of inforation from various areas and SDOs should be useful.
14:07:32 [cpn]
... We can look into the detailed processing time in this kind of procedure, not the device or network part, but the browser processing time should be clarified.
14:07:43 [cpn]
... If we can get that kind of clarification and see the actual cause of time delay, we can look with browser vendors to improve
14:08:01 [cpn]
... As ChrisN metioned, maybe NHK could bring this to CTA WAVE
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... MEIG could look at the results in more detail
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ack k
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... such as in TF calls
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i/TV device/scribenick: cpn/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
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cpn: happy to spend more time to continue this
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i/happy/scribenick: kaz/
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... one of the things interesting is
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... Web Performance WG's activity on measuring the performance
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Present+ Nigel_Megitt
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... indication of measurement
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... rendering stability, how the content moves, etc.
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... is this something interesting from our viewpoint?
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... have you started to look at alternate rendering mechanism?
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... e.g., Lightning
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... how would they impact, etc.
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yasuoka: this testing activity is done for those kind of mechanisms yet
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s/Lightning/WebGPU and Lightning/
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... would like to try them in the future
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q?
14:14:51 [kaz]
... currently, Hybridcast doesn't support WebGPU or WebRTC
14:15:45 [kaz]
... we'd like to try them but it's kind of difficult at the moment
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q+
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cpn: too difficult to introduce those new features. right?
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... what kind of help do you expect from W3C?
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yasuoka: if those mechanisms could be actual standards for media handling
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... that would be great
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... would like to proceed with to consider those new mechanisms
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s/to consider/considering/
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ohmata: Hybridcast currently doesn't define those mechanisms as mandated
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... but think it would be useful
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cpn: then
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... the question here
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... how can app/product developers contribute to the TF?
14:20:18 [kaz]
... would like to tackle the issues one by one
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... the discussion we have about launching time, etc.
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q?
14:21:22 [cpn]
Kaz: We can start with gathering information on pain points and workarounds based on industry experience
14:21:48 [cpn]
... We have another example from Chris Lorenzo at Comcast. We can summarise the description also and put them together
14:22:02 [kaz]
ack k
14:22:03 [cpn]
... We can also ask someone from BBC and Fraunhofer about their experience
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i/We can/scribenick: cpn/
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ChrisN: Yes, helpful to gather more experience reports
14:22:50 [kaz]
cpn: another question is expected output
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i/another/scribenick: kaz/
14:23:05 [kaz]
... related to your 2nd question
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... What can app/product developers expect from the TF?
14:23:38 [kaz]
... we want to continue to use the Web technology
14:24:07 [kaz]
... if the performance improvement can be achieved based on the current Web technology
14:24:14 [kaz]
... we should identify what to be done
14:24:36 [kaz]
... this could be an area on Web Performance as well
14:25:05 [kaz]
... this whole idea i around having tests by application developers and device manufacturers
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... on achievable performance goals
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... could even become a marketing tool
14:25:51 [kaz]
... having a representative test suite
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... may be a valuable thing
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... and
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... the other area is looking at alternative rendering mechanism
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... instead of DOM-based rendering mechanism
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... we could start to look at canvas-based, WebGL-based, etc.
14:27:07 [kaz]
... new rendering standard in the future could be developed
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... about how that easily could adopt
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... with HTML-based applications
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... support new technologies
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... would require new open discussions
14:28:00 [cpn]
q?
14:28:39 [kaz]
... would suggest creating GitHub issues to capture your points
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... and see how to follow up each of them
14:29:01 [kaz]
... would that make sense?
14:29:08 [kaz]
kaz: +1
14:29:17 [kaz]
crisL: also agree
14:29:33 [kaz]
cpn: so I'll propose to do that
14:29:37 [kaz]
... really good input
14:29:45 [kaz]
... thank you for your presentation!
14:30:04 [kaz]
... something we'd like to continue for collaboration
14:30:13 [kaz]
yasuoka: thank YOU!
14:30:25 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
14:30:42 [kaz]
cpn: would invite you to the discussion
14:30:55 [kaz]
... happy to have you both
14:31:12 [kaz]
... would continue to work with you via Kaz
14:31:24 [kaz]
... anything else for today?
14:31:31 [kaz]
(none)
14:31:50 [kaz]
chair: Chris_Needham, Chris_Lorenzo, Tatsuya_Igarashi
14:32:06 [kaz]
cpn: look forward to see further collaboration
14:32:25 [kaz]
chrisL: to make sure, please upload the slides
14:32:29 [kaz]
cpn: yes
14:32:40 [kaz]
... please send them to me or Kaz
14:32:49 [kaz]
... so that we can upload them
14:32:55 [kaz]
yasuoka: will do
14:33:01 [kaz]
cpn: tx
14:33:10 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
14:33:45 [kaz]
i|sato: ToC|scribenick: kaz|
14:33:52 [kaz]
[adjourned]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:34:39 [kaz]
i/We can start/scribenick: cpn/
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i/We can also ask/scribenick: kaz/
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14:35:29 [kaz]
s/We can also ask some/scribenick: cpn/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
14:36:12 [kaz]
s/scribenick: cpnone/We can also ask someone/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
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i/from BBC/scribenick: cpn/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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i|next proposals for Con|@@@ slide tbd|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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s/cpn:/ChrisN:/g
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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s/cl:/ChrisL:/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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s/sato:/Sato:/
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s/sato:/Sato:/g
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/10/04-me-minutes.html kaz
14:42:22 [kaz]
s/yasuoka:/Yasuoka:/g
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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