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13:47:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:47:25 <trackbot> Date: 28 September 2022
13:47:48 <matatk> Chair:  Matthew
13:47:48 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:47:48 <matatk> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:47:51 <matatk> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:47:54 <matatk> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:47:56 <matatk> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:48:00 <matatk> agenda+ TPAC 2022 summary
13:48:02 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:48:05 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:48:07 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
13:48:17 <matatk> agenda+ be done
13:48:30 <matatk> regrets+ Gottfried
13:48:38 <matatk> regrets+ Alisa
13:48:46 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
13:48:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html matatk
13:50:15 <matatk> present+
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13:59:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
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14:01:22 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
14:01:22 <PaulG> present+
14:01:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+ Lionel_Wolberger
14:02:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Good to be back after TPAC. Lots to share.
14:02:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:02:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
14:03:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Next wednesday is a holiday for some, Yom Kippur.
14:03:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close item
14:03:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Lionel_Wolberger
14:03:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:03:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Lionel_Wolberger
14:03:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:03:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:03:57 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:03:57 <Zakim> 2. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from matatk]
14:04:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:04:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
14:04:02 <Roy> subtopic: JSON-LD Working Group Charter
14:04:23 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2022/json-ld-2022.html
14:04:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> Roy: JSON-LD Working Group Charter
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14:05:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> Roy: seems to be a low level specification
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14:06:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:06:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Do we wish to ask anything of the JSON-LD data structure regarding pronunciation?
14:07:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: There was research that we did a while ago.
14:07:46 <MichaelC> present+
14:08:02 <matatk> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:09:28 <becky> present+
14:09:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: JSON, like JSON-LD is a low level spec as discussed: JSON-LD adds to JSON the ability to reference particular semantics for each label.
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14:10:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: It sounds like APA has an interest in using JSON-LD, and no needed accessibility additions to the charter
14:10:27 <Roy> subtopic: GPU for the Web Working Group Charter
14:10:39 <Roy> https://gpuweb.github.io/admin/wg-charter.html
14:10:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:10:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:11:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Roy: Seems to be a low level specification, no APA concerns regarding the charter
14:11:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Agree, it is low level
14:12:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 to letting this one go
14:12:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:12:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
14:13:20 <MichaelC> subtopic: WebXR Gamepads Module Level 1
14:13:20 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebXR_Gamepads_Module_-_Level_1
14:13:20 <MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/30
14:13:20 <MichaelC> - ping: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/30#issuecomment-1194168413
14:13:21 <MichaelC> we're holding up their transition request https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/449
14:15:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Wondering about button remapping support for this low level API
14:16:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: What about holding down a button, for the repeat rate?
14:16:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Agree, that's an issue but it is likely handled by the game layer, not in this low layer
14:17:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Some controllers control Audio/Video output as well
14:17:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: And haptics sometimes need to be disabled
14:17:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... though I think this, too, is in the Game Application layer above the controller
14:17:42 <matatk> q?
14:18:06 <MichaelC> subtopic: Web Neural Network API
14:18:06 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Neural_Network_API
14:18:06 <MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/26
14:18:06 <MichaelC> appears ready to close
14:21:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Jason's comment does seem to ask for action
14:21:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... he wrote, "Given the range of moral and policy issues raised by the technology, a general reference to the companion document which addresses these matters in detail is, in my view, welcome and appropriate."
14:21:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> MichaelC: We have marked the issue as closed.
14:22:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: They did it, they linked to the companion document. Done.
14:22:17 <MichaelC> subtopic: VISS 2 Core and Transport documents
14:22:17 <MichaelC> - request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/38
14:22:17 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/VISS_version_2_-_Core
14:22:17 <MichaelC> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/viss2-core/
14:22:17 <MichaelC> Raja to review
14:23:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Seems we do not have sufficient cycles to complete it
14:23:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:23:49 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
14:23:59 <MichaelC> subtopic: Open Screen Protocol
14:23:59 <MichaelC> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/openscreenprotocol/
14:24:00 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Open_Screen_Protocol
14:24:02 <MichaelC> interoperable way to cast to another device, probably too low level for us
14:24:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> MichaelC: Low level?
14:24:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I would like to see the ability to cast just the audio, or just the video
14:25:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... If I have no video renderer in my environment, I would like to cast just the audiot
14:26:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: It is possible that the AOM (Accessibility Object Model) could help here, if the language is a high-enough level to read the AOM
14:26:48 <MichaelC> subtopic: Trusted types
14:26:48 <MichaelC> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/trusted-types/
14:26:48 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Trusted_Types
14:26:48 <MichaelC> API security, probably too low level for us
14:27:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the AOM could stipulate what sharing could occur
14:28:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: It brings to mind the note we gave to SVG, where we wanted to prevent to locking of features that a person with disabilities may need to retain access and control
14:28:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We have time to respond
14:28:44 <MichaelC> subtopic: A Well-Known URL for Changing Passwords
14:28:44 <MichaelC> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/change-password-url/
14:28:44 <MichaelC> - tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/A_Well-Known_URL_for_Changing_Passwords
14:28:44 <MichaelC> allows password change via URI; probably too low level; may benefit accessibility
14:30:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Does Adapt have interest in this?
14:30:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Keep in mind, it is a server-side feature, like SOAP, announcing the services that are available
14:30:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Send to Adapt
14:31:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:31:17 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
14:31:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:31:29 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:31:30 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:31:30 <Zakim> 6. TPAC 2022 summary [from matatk]
14:31:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:31:33 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- TPAC 2022 summary -- taken up [from matatk]
14:31:59 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
14:32:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: A lot to share! Most of it will come via the APA Task Forces.
14:33:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... A lot of great learning and education for APA and other groups interacting with us
14:33:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Adapt did have a bit of a setback with TAG, but at the same time a clear signal for broad support
14:34:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Adapt draft will be restructured, and symbols will move first to CR
14:34:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... An exciting meeting with WHAT-WG about Adapt and spoken p18n
14:34:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a welcome reception to getting an adapt- prefix
14:35:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and SSML support
14:35:02 <matatk> s/WHAT-WG/WHATWG/
14:35:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... (synthetic speech markup)
14:35:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... great to get this show of support, as Adapt is new to them
14:35:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Web Performance Group told us a great deal about page load performance, which can be an accessibility issue
14:36:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Google informed us about what they are doing regarding page load
14:36:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a theme: file issues. Issues are the method to get into conversation with groups.
14:37:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Publishing Community Group and ePub3 working group
14:37:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... they were interested in Adapt and Pronunciation
14:37:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and we managed to meet with i18n
14:37:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... got helpful information regarding locale
14:37:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we were pleased to hear how much customization this attribute supports
14:38:02 <PaulG> q+
14:38:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... ARIA heard about Adapt and they were supportive
14:38:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... spoke about color contrast
14:38:34 <Joshue108_>  /me gotta drop
14:38:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: We need a liaison to CSS
14:38:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> * Lionel waves bye to Joshue108_
14:38:58 <PaulG> ack PaulG
14:39:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: We need more people, CSS and otherwise. A lot of work to do, some of it ground-breaking
14:39:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... for example, how we need review of the vehicle spec
14:40:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The meeting with Verifiable Credentials was highly promising
14:40:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in the immediate, RQTF may look at digital wallet accessibility
14:40:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... long term, this really looks like an effective way to communicate accessibility preferences across devices
14:40:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we thought CSS would do this
14:41:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Timed text, we flagged that we are interested in making the tolerances between the delay of caption vis a vis video, more normative
14:41:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we were informed about the challenges involved
14:42:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... sharp limits on what the broadcaster can control versus what the recipient receives
14:42:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this validated the research, and we affirmed that they are interested in this issue
14:43:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and was a privilege and pleasure, encouraging and motivating, to be there in person. Kudos to the W3C organizational team, the remote was very effective
14:44:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> Roy: The TPAC hub event in China
14:44:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... all W3C members and staff in Chiina could not travel to Vancouver and the time difference was onerous
14:44:59 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/2022/09/hangzhou/a11y/report.html
14:45:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it was two days
14:45:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... first day focused on the Chinese IG
14:45:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Web RTC, web editing, metaverse
14:45:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... second day focused on an accessibility event
14:45:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Roy was a host
14:46:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... all day event, participants included people from the disabled communities, Huawei, Xaomi, and other mobile companies
14:46:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... TenCent, Alibaba, Tiktok
14:46:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we had 120 participants who joined
14:46:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Part 1 was when the companies and vendors introduced themselves and shared their accessibility work in their products
14:47:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... progress in the past few years in accessibility
14:47:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the second part, people in the disabled community got to raise their voices
14:47:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the companies and vendors got to hear directly of challenges and struggles PwD have in using the products
14:47:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... another purpose
14:48:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... to collect requirements from the Chinese accessibility community
14:48:20 <matatk> q+
14:48:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I am looking for anything that can incubate in the APA WG
14:49:12 <matatk> ack me
14:49:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Sounds fantastic
14:50:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 to how nicely done it was, Roy!
14:50:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:50:44 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
14:51:06 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: We've discussed regulation driving access for the elderly; was regulation discussed?
14:53:32 <matatk> Roy: Standards participants include government, mostly industry. There is a standard for accessibility for the elderly, which references WCAG 2.1
14:53:40 <matatk> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:54:01 <Roy> s/Huawei, Xaomi, /Huawei, Xaomi, OPPO, VIVO, Honor etc/
14:54:36 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Do you see any impact on the work/remit of APA from the new legal entity?
14:54:39 <matatk> janina: no
14:54:51 <matatk> janina: We're rechartering next year (as normal)
14:55:41 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:57:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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