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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 28 September 2022

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Chair: Matthew

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

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agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

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agenda+ TPAC 2022 summary

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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open

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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ be done

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regrets+ Gottfried

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regrets+ Alisa

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html matatk

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present+

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present+

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agenda?

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present+

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scribe: Fredrik

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present+

14:01:59 [Lionel_Wolberger]

scribe+ Lionel_Wolberger

14:02:44 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: Good to be back after TPAC. Lots to share.

14:02:53 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]

14:03:09 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: Next wednesday is a holiday for some, Yom Kippur.

14:03:38 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, close item

14:03:38 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'close item', Lionel_Wolberger

14:03:44 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 1 was just opened, Lionel_Wolberger

14:03:56 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 1 closed

14:03:57 [Zakim]

I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:03:57 [Zakim]

2. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from matatk]

14:04:01 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]

14:04:02 [Roy]

subtopic: JSON-LD Working Group Charter

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https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2022/json-ld-2022.html

14:04:40 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Roy: JSON-LD Working Group Charter

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Roy: seems to be a low level specification

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q+

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janina: Do we wish to ask anything of the JSON-LD data structure regarding pronunciation?

14:07:20 [Lionel_Wolberger]

PaulG: There was research that we did a while ago.

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present+

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ack Lionel_Wolberger

14:09:28 [becky]

present+

14:09:59 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel_Wolberger: JSON, like JSON-LD is a low level spec as discussed: JSON-LD adds to JSON the ability to reference particular semantics for each label.

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14:10:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel_Wolberger: It sounds like APA has an interest in using JSON-LD, and no needed accessibility additions to the charter

14:10:27 [Roy]

subtopic: GPU for the Web Working Group Charter

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https://gpuweb.github.io/admin/wg-charter.html

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger

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Roy: Seems to be a low level specification, no APA concerns regarding the charter

14:11:58 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: Agree, it is low level

14:12:20 [Lionel_Wolberger]

+1 to letting this one go

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]

14:13:20 [MichaelC]

subtopic: WebXR Gamepads Module Level 1

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- tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/WebXR_Gamepads_Module_-_Level_1

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- request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/30

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- ping: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/30#issuecomment-1194168413

14:13:21 [MichaelC]

we're holding up their transition request https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/449

14:15:06 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: Wondering about button remapping support for this low level API

14:16:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel_Wolberger: What about holding down a button, for the repeat rate?

14:16:41 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: Agree, that's an issue but it is likely handled by the game layer, not in this low layer

14:17:09 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: Some controllers control Audio/Video output as well

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matatk: And haptics sometimes need to be disabled

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... though I think this, too, is in the Game Application layer above the controller

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q?

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subtopic: Web Neural Network API

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- tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_Neural_Network_API

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- request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/26

14:18:06 [MichaelC]

appears ready to close

14:21:10 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel_Wolberger: Jason's comment does seem to ask for action

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... he wrote, "Given the range of moral and policy issues raised by the technology, a general reference to the companion document which addresses these matters in detail is, in my view, welcome and appropriate."

14:21:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]

MichaelC: We have marked the issue as closed.

14:22:04 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: They did it, they linked to the companion document. Done.

14:22:17 [MichaelC]

subtopic: VISS 2 Core and Transport documents

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- request: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/38

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- tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/VISS_version_2_-_Core

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- spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/viss2-core/

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Raja to review

14:23:09 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: Seems we do not have sufficient cycles to complete it

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]

14:23:59 [MichaelC]

subtopic: Open Screen Protocol

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- spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/openscreenprotocol/

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- tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Open_Screen_Protocol

14:24:02 [MichaelC]

interoperable way to cast to another device, probably too low level for us

14:24:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]

MichaelC: Low level?

14:24:47 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: I would like to see the ability to cast just the audio, or just the video

14:25:08 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... If I have no video renderer in my environment, I would like to cast just the audiot

14:26:35 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: It is possible that the AOM (Accessibility Object Model) could help here, if the language is a high-enough level to read the AOM

14:26:48 [MichaelC]

subtopic: Trusted types

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- spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/trusted-types/

14:26:48 [MichaelC]

- tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Trusted_Types

14:26:48 [MichaelC]

API security, probably too low level for us

14:27:07 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... the AOM could stipulate what sharing could occur

14:28:35 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: It brings to mind the note we gave to SVG, where we wanted to prevent to locking of features that a person with disabilities may need to retain access and control

14:28:43 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: We have time to respond

14:28:44 [MichaelC]

subtopic: A Well-Known URL for Changing Passwords

14:28:44 [MichaelC]

- spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/change-password-url/

14:28:44 [MichaelC]

- tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/A_Well-Known_URL_for_Changing_Passwords

14:28:44 [MichaelC]

allows password change via URI; probably too low level; may benefit accessibility

14:30:19 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: Does Adapt have interest in this?

14:30:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Lionel_Wolberger: Keep in mind, it is a server-side feature, like SOAP, announcing the services that are available

14:30:41 [Lionel_Wolberger]

janina: Send to Adapt

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zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]

14:31:29 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, close this item

14:31:29 [Zakim]

agendum 5 closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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6. TPAC 2022 summary [from matatk]

14:31:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, next item

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agendum 6 -- TPAC 2022 summary -- taken up [from matatk]

14:31:59 [matatk]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022

14:32:10 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: A lot to share! Most of it will come via the APA Task Forces.

14:33:07 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... A lot of great learning and education for APA and other groups interacting with us

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... Adapt did have a bit of a setback with TAG, but at the same time a clear signal for broad support

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... Adapt draft will be restructured, and symbols will move first to CR

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... An exciting meeting with WHAT-WG about Adapt and spoken p18n

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... a welcome reception to getting an adapt- prefix

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... and SSML support

14:35:02 [matatk]

s/WHAT-WG/WHATWG/

14:35:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... (synthetic speech markup)

14:35:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... great to get this show of support, as Adapt is new to them

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... Web Performance Group told us a great deal about page load performance, which can be an accessibility issue

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... Google informed us about what they are doing regarding page load

14:36:40 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... a theme: file issues. Issues are the method to get into conversation with groups.

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... Publishing Community Group and ePub3 working group

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... they were interested in Adapt and Pronunciation

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... and we managed to meet with i18n

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... got helpful information regarding locale

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... we were pleased to hear how much customization this attribute supports

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q+

14:38:05 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... ARIA heard about Adapt and they were supportive

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... spoke about color contrast

14:38:34 [Joshue108_]

/me gotta drop

14:38:38 [Lionel_Wolberger]

PaulG: We need a liaison to CSS

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* Lionel waves bye to Joshue108_

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ack PaulG

14:39:25 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: We need more people, CSS and otherwise. A lot of work to do, some of it ground-breaking

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... for example, how we need review of the vehicle spec

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janina: The meeting with Verifiable Credentials was highly promising

14:40:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... in the immediate, RQTF may look at digital wallet accessibility

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... long term, this really looks like an effective way to communicate accessibility preferences across devices

14:40:54 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... we thought CSS would do this

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matatk: Timed text, we flagged that we are interested in making the tolerances between the delay of caption vis a vis video, more normative

14:41:49 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... we were informed about the challenges involved

14:42:10 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... sharp limits on what the broadcaster can control versus what the recipient receives

14:42:32 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... this validated the research, and we affirmed that they are interested in this issue

14:43:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... and was a privilege and pleasure, encouraging and motivating, to be there in person. Kudos to the W3C organizational team, the remote was very effective

14:44:25 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Roy: The TPAC hub event in China

14:44:44 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... all W3C members and staff in Chiina could not travel to Vancouver and the time difference was onerous

14:44:59 [matatk]

https://www.w3.org/2022/09/hangzhou/a11y/report.html

14:45:01 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... it was two days

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... first day focused on the Chinese IG

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... Web RTC, web editing, metaverse

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... second day focused on an accessibility event

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... Roy was a host

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... all day event, participants included people from the disabled communities, Huawei, Xaomi, and other mobile companies

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... TenCent, Alibaba, Tiktok

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... we had 120 participants who joined

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... Part 1 was when the companies and vendors introduced themselves and shared their accessibility work in their products

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... progress in the past few years in accessibility

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... the second part, people in the disabled community got to raise their voices

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... the companies and vendors got to hear directly of challenges and struggles PwD have in using the products

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... another purpose

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... to collect requirements from the Chinese accessibility community

14:48:20 [matatk]

q+

14:48:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]

... I am looking for anything that can incubate in the APA WG

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ack me

14:49:49 [Lionel_Wolberger]

matatk: Sounds fantastic

14:50:06 [Lionel_Wolberger]

+1 to how nicely done it was, Roy!

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q+

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scribe+ matatk

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Lionel_Wolberger: We've discussed regulation driving access for the elderly; was regulation discussed?

14:53:32 [matatk]

Roy: Standards participants include government, mostly industry. There is a standard for accessibility for the elderly, which references WCAG 2.1

14:53:40 [matatk]

ack Lionel_Wolberger

14:54:01 [Roy]

s/Huawei, Xaomi, /Huawei, Xaomi, OPPO, VIVO, Honor etc/

14:54:36 [matatk]

Lionel_Wolberger: Do you see any impact on the work/remit of APA from the new legal entity?

14:54:39 [matatk]

janina: no

14:54:51 [matatk]

janina: We're rechartering next year (as normal)

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html matatk

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/09/28-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger

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