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18:02:25 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
18:02:38 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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18:07:36 <W3C> scribe: jongund
18:07:45 <Matt_King> TOPIC: skipto
18:07:53 <W3C> TOPIC: SkipTo
18:08:13 <W3C> MK: Merging issue
18:08:20 <W3C> MK: Preview links are broken
18:08:36 <W3C> MK: Preview link is fixed
18:08:44 <Matt_King> Preview for skipto PR: https://deploy-preview-159--wai-aria-practices2.netlify.app/aria/apg/
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18:09:40 <W3C> MK: Something had changed in the appearance, so that this preview is to make sure it looks the same
18:09:51 <W3C> MK: The link is also in the agrnda
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18:10:20 <W3C> MK: Siri can you review?
18:10:29 <W3C> Siri: I will do it tonight
18:10:46 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Check in for repo restructure project
18:11:12 <W3C> MK: I have a couple questions for Alex
18:11:23 <W3C> MK: They are related to file names
18:11:48 <W3C> MK: Status: At this point we turned off automatic update of editors draft
18:12:14 <W3C> MK: 100% are moved to examples and 100% patterns are moved
18:12:27 <W3C> MK: Deleted patterns from previous files
18:12:48 <W3C> MK: Alex has updated the regression testing and reference tables, and coverage reports
18:13:01 <W3C> MK: The reference tables has not been merged
18:13:13 <W3C> MK: I put a comment in their this morning
18:13:45 <W3C> MK: In the template file there are links to core.css and some other files, is it needed?
18:14:20 <W3C> MK: The ones to the relative files probably are not working
18:14:37 <W3C> Alex: I will take a look
18:14:53 <W3C> MK: It only changed in the template file
18:15:05 <W3C> MK: Siri when we merge the SkipTo...
18:15:54 <W3C> MK: Let's go through the items in 2418
18:16:34 <W3C> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2418
18:17:11 <W3C> MK: Reviewing plan one item at a time
18:18:08 <W3C> MK: Updated coverage report is merged, checking
18:18:33 <W3C> Alex: PR 2451, I think..
18:18:50 <W3C> MK: Make the output go to the about diriectory
18:19:03 <W3C> Alex: I have not done that, so I will circle back to it
18:19:17 <W3C> MK: that one has some open feedback
18:19:32 <W3C> ALEX: #10 has been merged
18:19:33 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/10 : Should Authoring Practices include guidance on providing page summaries or abstracts targeted at screen reader users?
18:19:51 <W3C> MK: We are not quite ready to merge the build process
18:20:03 <W3C> MK: We have the redirect piece
18:20:23 <W3C> MK: It looks like we still have some feedback on some PRs, almost ready for #11
18:20:24 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/11 : Consider use of Gherkin syntax   in example implementations of design patterns
18:20:45 <W3C> MK: Increasing scope of ..
18:21:44 <W3C> MK: A whole bunch of practices references to the patterns in the examples, and we did not change the hrefs in the examples wotthe new URLs
18:22:00 <W3C> MK: So we have a bunch of broken links
18:22:40 <W3C> MK: We can repair the links as part of the build process, the other is move aria practices into the ....
18:22:51 <W3C> MK: Working on a draft PR to do that
18:23:00 <W3C> MK: Alex is that a better way?
18:23:19 <W3C> Alex: I think that would b a great way to do it
18:23:27 <W3C> Alex: I prefer it
18:23:39 <W3C> MK: I am willing to do that, it is not a ton of work
18:23:52 <W3C> MK: I can probably do it this weekend
18:24:42 <W3C> MK: I was thinking of back peddling on file naming, I named them /practices/*/*.html
18:25:08 <W3C> MK: I would have used "-" rather than directories
18:25:30 <W3C> MK: naming an index.html rather than keyboard .html
18:25:52 <W3C> MK: Just the directory name has "practice-*"
18:27:08 <W3C> MK: discussing renaming directories and files for consistency and ease of understanding
18:27:18 <W3C> MK: Anyone care about this?
18:27:49 <W3C> Alex: I care about is, keyboard-navigation.html, but I like consistency
18:28:54 <W3C> MK: People need to care when writing HREFs, more opportunities for errors in authoring
18:29:38 <W3C> MK: I prefer to make them more concise
18:30:21 <W3C> MK: For each of the things we put in about, coverage report and quality reports, intro and read me first
18:30:52 <W3C> MK: I don't think we will have those all in the same directory
18:31:16 <W3C> MK: For practices we have a consistency
18:31:34 <W3C> ALEX: Cool
18:31:50 <W3C> MK: I may think about this some more and make a choice
18:32:16 <W3C> Alex: The scripting is flexible enough that it does not matter
18:32:58 <W3C> MK: Maybe some file searching issues, especially for screen readers
18:33:18 <W3C> MK: MK will make a decision
18:33:43 <W3C> MK: I can't wait until this is done
18:33:50 <W3C> MK: Other stuff in the issue
18:34:20 <W3C> ALEX: We do not have a task internally yet
18:34:28 <W3C> Alex: we will que it up
18:35:07 <W3C> MK: I mentioned the about page to Seth and we want Izak to look at
18:35:17 <W3C> MK: I will be creating new pages for the about
18:35:33 <W3C> MK: I am working on new pages for the practices
18:36:03 <W3C> MK: There is a lot of information about redirections in the issue
18:36:38 <W3C> MK: There are some timing issues in issues #2418
18:36:39 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2418 : Reorganize patterns and examples to reflect site architecture
18:36:55 <W3C> Alex: Simplify that it is consistent
18:37:21 <W3C> Alex: I will get these PRs merged and then update in a single PR
18:37:46 <W3C> MK: So hold off for al little bit later
18:38:09 <W3C> MK: How robust is our link checking capabilities
18:38:30 <W3C> Alex: I looked into that and looking at CI options for scanning all the directories
18:40:12 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Switch example using HTML button clashes with website CSS
18:40:31 <Matt_King> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2474
18:40:32 <W3C> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2474
18:41:20 <W3C> The CSS for this example is white on white
18:41:39 <W3C> MK his is a real bug
18:42:32 <W3C> JG: I can look at this one
18:42:54 <W3C> MK: If you fix it on the main branch
18:43:15 <W3C> JG: I am not sure
18:44:08 <W3C> Alex: Example example clashes with the theme style
18:45:03 <W3C> JG: We are using the button element, and that is the issue
18:46:27 <jamesn> .button, button {
18:46:27 <jamesn>     border-radius: 5px;
18:46:27 <jamesn>     display: inline-block;
18:46:27 <jamesn>     display: -ms-inline-flexbox;
18:46:27 <jamesn>     display: inline-flex;
18:46:27 <jamesn>     -ms-flex-align: center;
18:46:27 <jamesn>     align-items: center;
18:46:28 <jamesn>     -ms-flex-pack: center;
18:46:28 <jamesn>     justify-content: center;
18:46:28 <jamesn>     padding: 8px 12px;
18:46:28 <jamesn>     border: 2px solid #005a6a;
18:46:28 <jamesn>     border: 2px solid var(--wai-green);
18:46:28 <jamesn>     font-size: 13px;
18:46:28 <jamesn>     font-size: .8125rem;
18:46:29 <jamesn>     line-height: 1.4;
18:46:29 <jamesn>     background-color: #005a6a;
18:46:29 <jamesn>     background-color: var(--wai-green);
18:46:29 <jamesn>     text-decoration: none;
18:46:29 <jamesn>     font-weight: 700;
18:46:29 <jamesn> }
18:46:39 <W3C> JN: There is a button.css file
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18:47:30 <W3C> MK: We are requesting a template change?
18:47:50 <W3C> MK: What are the CSS practices to fix this problem
18:48:25 <W3C> Alex: I have looked into a number of ways, including using custom elements
18:49:23 <W3C> JN: Can we request a change the selector to include only buttons without a role
18:50:24 <W3C> MK: Is it possible to create selectors that exclude sections
18:51:11 <W3C> Seth: We could ask them to include a class, but then that would have to add the class to the templase
18:51:49 <W3C> JN: We should look at selectors that are not using class
18:53:25 <W3C> Alex: There are techniques, but would require changing alot of our CSS
18:53:50 <W3C> JG: I am worried that there might get into a loop on changes
18:54:07 <W3C> MK: We are working closely with the template team
18:55:08 <W3C> MK: If the template doesn't change
18:55:24 <W3C> JN: There maybe other things broken with the example
18:56:23 <W3C> MK: If there are ways we can make sure our examples are not changing
18:56:44 <W3C> JG: We may want a reset style for an ID selector
18:57:46 <W3C> JN: A reset style sheet maybe a good idea
18:58:04 <W3C> Alex: There style sheet is responsive
18:58:31 <W3C> JN: Where the examples are, just have links to code pen
18:58:38 <W3C> MK: We need to fix them
18:59:10 <W3C> JG: We can work off main?
18:59:19 <W3C> MK: Yes
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18:59:56 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Next meeting on Sep 27
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