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14:53:14 <kaz> meeting: WoT CG at TPAC 2022
14:53:27 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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15:00:32 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call
15:00:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', kaz
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15:00:38 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:38 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura
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15:02:16 <kaz> present+ Ege_Kokan, Shinjiro_Urata, Alexander_Power, Bradley_Needham, Christian_Glomb, Fady_Salama, Hiroshi_Ota, Jan_Romann, Jeff_Waters, Mun_Hwan_Choi, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Tony_Herre
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15:04:15 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
15:04:15 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, glomb, jeffwaters, herre, Ege_Kokan, Shinjiro_Urata, Alexander_Power, Bradley_Needham, Christian_Glomb, Fady_Salama, Hiroshi_Ota, Jan_Romann, Jeff_Waters,
15:04:18 <Zakim> ... Mun_Hwan_Choi, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Tony_Herre, bradley, Alicia_Richins, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ding_Wei, Daniel_Peintner, Ege, Thomas_Jaeckle
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15:04:49 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:04:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:08:10 <Ege> scribenick: cris_
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15:08:40 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Dersen
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15:08:44 <cris_> ege: in the minutes we summarize people opinion and make those public
15:08:58 <cris_> ... let us know if you don't want to record your statment
15:09:11 <cris_> ... anybody wants to introduce himself
15:09:24 <kaz> i/in the minutes/topic: Logistics/
15:09:28 <cris_> bradley: I'm from sony, coming as an observer
15:10:38 <cris_> jeff: I'm an AC rep DISA, interested in different topics from W3C. Want to learn more
15:11:12 <cris_> daniel: responsabile for the nordic chapter of w3c. Working on IoT and Smart cities
15:11:55 <cris_> alicia: interested in working together with the WoT community
15:12:32 <cris_> thomas: I'm working for bosh, part of WoT WG. We are working on an opensource solution compatibile with WoT 1.0
15:13:14 <cris_> fady: Tum researcher, working on WoT and its applications on industry
15:13:44 <cris_> ding: Interested in IoT standards
15:14:38 <cris_> ben: IE in the WoT WG, founder of WebThings opensource solution. Also chair of Web of Thing protocol CG.
15:15:19 <cris_> geun-hyung: Interested in the applications of DID in IoT and WoT
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15:16:20 <cris_> ege: thank you all
15:16:24 <GeunHyung_Kim> present+
15:16:33 <cris_> ... we have other w3c groups
15:16:51 <cris_> ... in particular one IG
15:17:02 <cris_> ... and WG
15:17:09 <cris_> ... IG outreach and plugfests
15:17:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:17:24 <cris_> ... WG specification work
15:17:56 <cris_> topic: Collaboration with IG and WG
15:18:04 <kaz> chair: Ege, Cristiano
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15:18:18 <Ege> ca: we had a discussion on this topic quite a lot
15:18:52 <Ege> ... the actual discussion will take place in another delverable
15:18:54 <kaz> present+ Daniel_LaLiberte
15:19:07 <kaz> i/we had a/scribenick: Ege/
15:20:07 <Ege> ... we want to create a community place where everyone can join and exchange information and learn about wot
15:20:18 <Ege> ... we want to use CG for plugfests as well
15:21:39 <Ege> ... we want to reach a setup that looks like the one in slide 8
15:22:50 <cris_> ege: in the mean time we can start working on topics that we can do hortogonally to the topics of the IG
15:22:56 <cris_> ... we organized an Event
15:23:21 <kaz> i/in the mean/scribenick: cris_/
15:23:33 <cris_> <Ege lists the agenda>
15:23:48 <cris_> q?
15:23:58 <kaz> q+
15:24:55 <kaz> ack k
15:24:57 <cris_> kaz: among the topics I'd like to ask the CG to think about the relation with IG and WG
15:25:19 <cris_> ege: it is in CG events
15:25:37 <cris_> s/events/agenda/
15:25:54 <kaz> s/relation/relationship/
15:26:01 <cris_> kaz: you can organize events but the relationship should be a priority
15:26:01 <kaz> s/topics/topics,/
15:26:22 <cris_> ege: anybody want to tell us more about what they expect about a CG around the WoT
15:26:49 <kaz> present+ Kang_Seukyoon
15:26:54 <cris_> ... we are using the Github repository to keep track of t he issues
15:29:58 <cris_> cris
15:30:16 <Ege> ca: if you have any ideas on what kind of activities we should do, please go ahead
15:30:17 <cris_> cris: we can develop the CG futher with curated news
15:31:04 <cris_> bradley: I try to understand the relationship between the different groups
15:31:20 <cris_> ... I got that you would like to give people ideas how to use the WoT
15:31:23 <cris_> ... and teach them
15:31:25 <cris_> ege: eys
15:31:31 <cris_> s/eys/yes/
15:32:39 <cris_> bradley: give people levels of architecture and examples of use cases
15:32:49 <cris_> ege: I agree
15:32:59 <cris_> ... CG don't write specs but the can write use cases
15:33:12 <kaz> q+
15:33:17 <cris_> q+
15:33:49 <cris_> ... our scope is also to give back requirements back to WG
15:34:10 <cris_> kaz: Bradley made a great point
15:34:30 <cris_> ... gathering expectation is good for the CG scope
15:34:39 <cris_> ... and understand which direction to go
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15:35:37 <kaz> ack k
15:35:39 <kaz> ack c
15:36:59 <cris_> cris: there is also a teaching side in this
15:37:03 <cris_> ... we can write blog post
15:37:08 <kaz> (btw, my main point is clarifying the expectations of the CG participants before diving into the possible solutions directly :)
15:37:25 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
15:37:26 <cris_> ege: we can ask people about their expectations
15:37:36 <kaz> q?
15:37:37 <cris_> ... in a survey
15:37:37 <kaz> q+
15:38:07 <kaz> ack k
15:38:15 <Ege> q?
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15:38:35 <cris_> mc: co-chair of WoT WG
15:39:01 <cris_> ... working on on polishing our specification documents for the final publication
15:39:37 <cris_> ... next charter topics
15:39:51 <cris_> ... what do you want to cover in the next phase?
15:41:19 <cris_> ... CG can be a place where we can have open discussions
15:41:39 <cris_> ... to join the WG slot you are required to be invited
15:41:40 <jeffwaters> q+
15:42:30 <cris_> ege: we got feedback to use DID in WoT
15:43:12 <McCool_> q?
15:44:04 <cris_> jeff: DISA member, there are many challenges in our environment
15:44:17 <cris_> ... I would like to provide use cases
15:44:45 <cris_> ... if you have a summary about the use cases you can addressing it would be helpful to be up to speed
15:45:13 <cris_> mc: I can do a brief summary
15:45:25 <cris_> ... we have a good description of network interaction
15:45:33 <cris_> ... we have a gap for geolocation
15:46:03 <cris_> ... onboarding is something that we need to tackle
15:46:21 <cris_> ... smart cities depend on geolocation
15:46:43 <cris_> ... security is also important, especially in isolated networks
15:46:56 <cris_> ... also we would like to explore time series
15:47:15 <cris_> ... no standard way to discover devices that produced a particular set of data
15:48:05 <cris_> jeff: Digital Twins, what do they mean in this context?
15:48:29 <cris_> mc: you can have a shadow thing that simulate and manage the connection with the real device
15:48:38 <cris_> ege: virtual factory
15:48:57 <cris_> ... simulate the production line
15:49:14 <Ege> q+
15:49:23 <Ege> ack j
15:49:29 <cris_> mc: automation needs how the device interact with the enviroment
15:49:45 <cris_> ... this also has implications in accessibility
15:50:14 <kaz> q?
15:50:15 <cris_> ... we will look at standards for DT
15:50:19 <kaz> q+
15:50:38 <cris_> jeff: Digital Twins are a big use case in our environment
15:50:44 <cris_> ... mostly for prediction
15:50:56 <McCool_> q?
15:50:59 <cris_> q?
15:51:26 <cris_> cris: +1 for an event for Digital Twin only event
15:51:35 <McCool_> q+
15:51:47 <cris_> daniel: I'm working with IoT and smart cities in Sweden
15:52:02 <cris_> ... how can you achive climate neutrality with tech?
15:52:09 <cris_> ... I belive in the open data field
15:52:21 <cris_> ... w3c is the only one that can do it
15:52:31 <cris_> ege: smart cities are in our scope
15:52:37 <cris_> ... kaz is organizing an event
15:52:44 <cris_> ... we has small demos
15:52:51 <cris_> s/has/had/
15:53:07 <cris_> ... we are not imposing a standard, and we want to be compatibile with existing standards
15:53:41 <cris_> daniel: if you take data, everybody is align to DCap.
15:54:49 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas#Web-based_Digital_Twins_for_Smart_Cities Web-based Digital Twins for Smart Cities breakout
15:55:12 <cris_> kaz: I'm organizing a breakup session, see link above
15:55:42 <cris_> mc: we have wot breakout too, some demos
15:56:00 <cris_> s/DCap/DCat/
15:56:17 <cris_> mc: about DID, we support DID in TDs
15:56:38 <cris_> ... there are some interesting points in Verified Credentials and distributing keys
15:56:47 <kaz> s/I'm or/I wanted to hear from you about the expectations from the WoT CG participants, but if Smart Cities and Digital Twins are part of your interested topics, I'd like to mention that I'm or/
15:56:48 <cris_> ... that we can study in the next charter
15:57:30 <cris_> kaz: my suggestion is continuing to gather topics from the CG
15:57:58 <Ege> q?
15:58:01 <Ege> ack e
15:58:05 <kaz> ack k
15:58:05 <Ege> ack k
15:58:33 <cris_> mc: climate netruality we didn't adressed it directly but we have use cases for energy managment
15:58:41 <Ege> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlSKw7VfIx5J2degldyugGwJFjxPZ_p/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106655031772979203612&rtpof=true&sd=true
15:59:13 <jeffwaters> Good discussion. Thanks for letting me participate.  I'll reach out regarding digital twin and use cases.
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16:00:28 <kaz> [adjourned]
16:00:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minute
16:00:35 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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