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13:06:57 <zheng_xu> zakim, start meeting
13:06:57 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
13:06:59 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Community Group
13:07:22 <zheng_xu> scribe+
13:09:57 <pbelfanti> present+
13:13:16 <sue-neu> present+
13:18:12 <zheng_xu> pbelfanti: introducing the purpose of this TF, and question
13:18:19 <tzviya> present+
13:18:20 <pbelfanti> The purpose of the PCG Education Task Force is to answer the question: “What does Education want from the Web?”   What limitations currently exist that may be presenting obstacles to educators, educational publishers, EdTech companies, et al, in delivering content or services efficiently and at high quality? What new capabilities could lead to improved learning experiences, or enable innovative new products and services?   The mem[CUT]
13:18:48 <pbelfanti> will be forwarded to the appropriate W3C working group for consideration in a future standard update.
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13:19:02 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
13:19:07 <GeorgeK> present+
13:19:22 <rickj> q+
13:19:44 <zheng_xu> q?
13:20:14 <tzviya> The purpose of the PCG Education Task Force is to answer the question: “What does Education want from the Web?”
13:20:14 <tzviya> 
13:20:14 <tzviya> What limitations currently exist that may be presenting obstacles to educators, educational publishers, EdTech companies, et al, in delivering content or services efficiently and at high quality? What new capabilities could lead to improved learning experiences, or enable innovative new products and services?
13:20:14 <tzviya> 
13:20:14 <tzviya> The members of the Education Task Force will survey stakeholders in the education space and develop use cases around their pain points and aspirations. In turn, the use cases will be presented to the Publishing Community Group for review and evaluation. Use cases that have the highest impact potential will be forwarded to the appropriate W3C working group for consideration in a future standard update.
13:20:44 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
13:20:49 <zheng_xu> rickj: define scope?
13:20:53 <zheng_xu> q?
13:21:01 <zheng_xu> ack rickj
13:21:06 <zheng_xu> q?
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13:22:10 <zheng_xu> Bill_Kasdorf: suggesting CG to incubate ideas and use cases before moving on to WG
13:23:01 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
13:23:04 <tzviya> q+
13:23:06 <zheng_xu> q?
13:23:07 <JF> Q+
13:23:08 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
13:23:15 <zheng_xu> q?
13:23:44 <sue-neu> q+
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13:24:46 <zheng_xu> Bill_Kasdorf: suggest not only in a small group such as publisher
13:25:10 <zheng_xu> ... there is also some cross work related to other group
13:25:11 <rickj> q+
13:25:13 <zheng_xu> q+
13:25:43 <zheng_xu> ... also the scope might include corporate training but will leave to the group
13:25:51 <zheng_xu> q?
13:25:54 <zheng_xu> ack tzviya
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13:26:19 <GeorgeK> q+
13:26:23 <zheng_xu> tzviya: there is also an import factor is web. Recommend start writing use cases then we can see pattern
13:26:27 <zheng_xu> q?
13:27:06 <zheng_xu> yes
13:27:19 <pbelfanti> q+
13:27:28 <zheng_xu> JF: also define users for user cases
13:27:33 <zheng_xu> q?
13:27:53 <CharlesL> q+
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13:28:10 <zheng_xu> zheng_xu is scribing
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13:28:32 <zheng_xu> ack JF
13:28:40 <zheng_xu> q?
13:29:21 <zheng_xu> sue-neu: we need to define who the users are and pain points
13:29:32 <zheng_xu> ack sue-neu
13:29:51 <JF> suggest "User Profile" as a starting point. Consumer/Producer. K-12/HigherEd. Mainstream/users with disabilities
13:29:59 <zheng_xu> q?
13:30:11 <wolfgang> q?
13:30:49 <zheng_xu> pbelfanti: we need to talk to a large group of users
13:31:04 <JF> +1 to Paul
13:31:34 <zheng_xu> q?
13:31:38 <zheng_xu> ack rickj
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13:32:25 <zheng_xu> rickj: how to segment? Maybe can define segment regarding users?
13:33:22 <zheng_xu> ... also need to consider group of adoption
13:33:30 <zheng_xu> q?
13:33:34 <wolfgang> q?
13:34:41 <JF> ack z
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13:36:08 <wolfgang> q?
13:36:29 <zheng_xu> q?
13:36:46 <zheng_xu> zheng_xu: we have label for each use case on github
13:36:53 <wolfgang> ack George
13:37:44 <Bill_Kasdorf> annotations is my favorite example of a very useful spec that is rarely used
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13:38:08 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: some of items might related to best practice
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13:38:48 <zheng_xu> ack pbelfanti
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13:39:30 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: might want to consider early childhood as a segment
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13:39:44 <zheng_xu> ack CharlesL
13:39:53 <wolfgang> ack Charles
13:39:57 <wolfgang> q?
13:40:25 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: also a11y
13:40:36 <wolfgang> q?
13:41:19 <CharlesL> scribe+
13:41:44 <CharlesL> zheng_xu: We could accomplish this with GitHub Labels for Early Childhood etc.
13:41:57 <wolfgang> q?
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13:42:02 <zheng_xu> ack zheng_xu
13:42:04 <wolfgang> ack zheng
13:42:34 <wolfgang> scribe+
13:42:54 <wolfgang> PCG use case template on Github:
13:43:00 <zheng_xu> https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg
13:43:52 <wolfgang> you may send an e-mail or any other dorc format, but you might create your use case just in Github
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13:44:55 <wolfgang> ... only a few members can assign labels, but just let us know - we might do it for you
13:45:25 <wolfgang> ... Zheng gives a live demo in Github how to write a new use case
13:45:39 <wolfgang> s/dorc/doc/
13:46:27 <wolfgang> ... important to define the role as precisely and specifically as possible!
13:47:10 <CharlesL> q+
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13:48:00 <wolfgang> ... e.g. As a use case writer I would like to know how to write down a use case
13:50:37 <wolfgang> ... A pain point might be that I write down a long description but no one can pick up the problem so the discussion spreads/fails.
13:51:09 <wolfgang> ... audience: people who read and write use cases.
13:51:32 <wolfgang> ... might add a proposal
13:51:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> I would suggest distilling this to: I am a [party] and I need [issue] in order to [result].
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13:52:04 <wolfgang> *remember: it's a use case and not a sketch for a technical solution!
13:52:15 <CharlesL> q?
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13:53:15 <wolfgang> pbelfanti: a label ETF = Education Task Force would be helpful
13:53:40 <wolfgang> s/ETF/Ed TF/
13:54:14 <wolfgang> George: suggested labels, e.g. Ed TF, K12, teacher, etc.
13:55:01 <wolfgang> Zheng: good idea, but we should not create redundant labels
13:55:09 <zheng_xu> q?
13:55:54 <zheng_xu> CharlesL: recommendation of template, just heading and plain text is good enough
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13:56:40 <zheng_xu> GeorgeK: can we have different template
13:56:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
13:57:03 <wolfgang> GeorgeK: different templates for different groups? Is that doable? How to select a template?
13:57:42 <wolfgang> Zheng: only one template available, but we can create several ones.
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13:58:37 <zheng_xu> pbelfanti: action items, scope, provide some use case template (Charles)
13:58:53 <zheng_xu> ... meeting frequency?
13:59:06 <wolfgang> pbelfanti: Action Items: work on purpose statement, segmentation, use case template (CharlesL)
13:59:07 <zheng_xu> ... bi-weekly or monthly?
13:59:12 <zheng_xu> q?
13:59:18 <zheng_xu> ack CharlesL
13:59:34 <zheng_xu> +1 to bi-weekly
13:59:40 <wolfgang> Bill: bi-weekly better
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14:00:10 <wolfgang> pbelfanti: bi-weekly!
14:00:12 <Bill_Kasdorf> I vote for Google Doc
14:01:21 <zheng_xu> zakim, end meeting
14:01:21 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pbelfanti, sue-neu, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, GeorgeK
14:01:24 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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14:01:27 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, zheng_xu; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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