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11:07:09 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
11:07:16 <benfrancis> mlagally: We can hear each other but not you
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11:07:27 <kaz> chair: Lagally
11:07:37 <McCool> Michael L, we can hear you and each other
11:07:52 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ben_Francis, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
11:09:02 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#WoT_Architecture_.28Profile.29_-_Aug_31st.2C_2022
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11:13:33 <McCool> mm: suggest put review of TPAC agenda under other business
11:13:42 <McCool> topic: minutes review 08-01
11:13:49 <kaz> i/suggest/scribenick: McCool/
11:13:57 <kaz> i/suggest/topic: Agenda/
11:14:29 <mlagally_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/blob/main/contributions/2022-08-10-Wot-Profile-Next-Steps.pdf
11:14:33 <McCool> ml: mentioned some slides uploaded last time for profile next steps
11:15:57 <McCool> ml: we discussed various options for moving forward
11:16:07 <McCool> ml: any corrections to the minutes?
11:19:31 <McCool> ml: ege's pref for option A is missing, should be added
11:20:33 <McCool> kaz: recorded elsewhere
11:20:46 <McCool> ml: ok, let's leave the minutes alone, then.  Approved?
11:20:55 <McCool> ml: ... hearing no objections, approved
11:21:24 <McCool> topci: schedule for combined call Arch/Profile
11:21:51 <McCool> s/topci/topic/
11:22:19 <McCool> ml: looks like the current time is still the best option, so we will stick with it
11:22:25 <McCool> topic: contributions
11:22:40 <McCool> ml: there are 10 PRs, will work from oldest to most recent
11:22:43 <kaz> i|looks like|-> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/eEl32VKd/vote doodle results|
11:22:52 <McCool> subtopic: PR 251
11:23:15 <McCool> ml: removing cloud events, had IPR issues due to charter update
11:24:01 <benfrancis> q+
11:24:15 <McCool> ml: some issues with Base profile vs. core
11:24:28 <McCool> mm: should use HTTP Baseline Profile as already agreed
11:24:45 <kaz> i|removing|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/251 PR 251 - Remove cloud events as message format for WebHooks, update README.md (#248)|
11:24:48 <McCool> ml: this PR also removed the JSON object format
11:25:47 <McCool> ben: this PR was supposed to be about removing cloud events
11:26:32 <McCool> ... it seems there are some other unrelated changes... would suggest removing unrelated renaming commits
11:26:38 <McCool> ... deal with that separately
11:26:54 <kaz> s/HTTP Baseline Profile/"HTTP Baseline Profile"/
11:27:01 <McCool> ml: agree, revert changes in this PR for README, then merge
11:27:09 <McCool> subtopic: PR 256
11:27:18 <McCool> ml: closes 216
11:27:30 <McCool> ... I reviewed, looks good, suggest merging.
11:27:39 <McCool> ... (no objections)
11:27:47 <McCool> subtopic: PR 257
11:27:52 <kaz> i|closes|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/256 PR 256 - Add titles to action input examples - closes #216|
11:28:00 <McCool> ml: was reviewed, has been around for a while, ege has approved
11:28:19 <kaz> i|was re|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/257 PR 257 - Assert that the profiling mechanism depends on TD v1.1 - closes #217|
11:28:27 <McCool> ben: so there were a number of force-pushes here to resolve conflicts
11:28:36 <McCool> ... but it looks like there are still conflicts
11:29:26 <McCool> ml: looks like a conflict in an example... white space issues?
11:29:36 <McCool> ben: will try to resolve conflicts offline
11:31:40 <McCool> ml: has been approved, will trust ben to fix it; let's agree to merge after he fixes issues
11:31:46 <McCool> ml: (no objections)
11:31:52 <McCool> subtopic: PR 260
11:31:59 <McCool> ml: closes 214 and 248
11:32:23 <McCool> ml: diff is not helpful
11:33:23 <McCool> ben: this is tiding up after splitting up the profile; there were some bits that were common to all three; moved to common constraints
11:33:43 <McCool> ... moved default language and security constraints to the top of this new section
11:33:57 <McCool> ... moved information model section and http section to common constraints
11:34:05 <McCool> ... also two security sections, merged
11:34:21 <kaz> i|closes 214 a|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/260 PR 260 - Re-structure profiles sections - closes #214 and closes #248|
11:34:48 <McCool> ... moved security and privacy considerations to top-level sections as required for review
11:34:59 <McCool> ... and then a bunch of renaming of ids
11:35:15 <McCool> ben: sounds like a big change and a lot of shuffling
11:36:43 <McCool> mm: suggest creating an issue to remove reference to Security Best Practices; merging with Guidelines document
11:39:08 <McCool> mm: probably also need to review the considerations sections; for now are minimal; can review in security TF
11:39:27 <McCool> ml: so this refactoring is useful, suggest merging
11:39:37 <McCool> ml: any objections?  none -> merging
11:40:18 <McCool> subtopic: Pr 262
11:40:32 <McCool> ml: refine assertions about 3xx status codes
11:40:54 <McCool> ... but some cases where 3xx codes are used, e.g. OAuth
11:41:08 <McCool> ... but excluded some cases, e.g. Multiple Choices
11:41:49 <McCool> ben: there is on ambiguous redirection, 300, which suggest disallowing
11:42:23 <McCool> ml: suggest merging
11:42:34 <McCool> ben: but last PR has created merge conflicts
11:42:53 <McCool> ml: assuming merge conflicts are fixed, will merge later
11:43:19 <kaz> i|refine|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/262 PR 262 - Refine assertions around 3xx redirect responses - closes #246|
11:43:27 <McCool> subtopic: PR 263
11:43:44 <McCool> ml: missing form for observeallproperties and unobserveallproperties
11:43:57 <kaz> i|missing|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/263 PR 263 - Add missing form for observeallproperties and unobserveallproperties #263|
11:44:13 <McCool> ... in protocol binding section
11:45:27 <McCool> ben: is in example TD
11:45:41 <McCool> ... is adding unobserveproperties to top-level form
11:45:54 <McCool> ... and this is only for sse
11:46:06 <McCool> ml: any objections to merging?
11:46:14 <McCool> ... hearing none, merging
11:47:04 <McCool> subtopic: PR #264
11:47:23 <McCool> ml: adds geolocation semantic annotation recommendation
11:47:35 <McCool> ben: this may need rebasing to make sense
11:48:01 <kaz> i|adds ge|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/264 PR 264 - Add geolocation semantic annotation recommendation - closes #137|
11:48:38 <McCool> ml: numbers without units
11:48:42 <McCool> q+
11:49:13 <McCool> ml: but schema.org does say if no unit given is m, perhaps we insist on that
11:50:45 <kaz> q+
11:50:51 <kaz> ack b
11:52:13 <benfrancis> q+
11:53:21 <McCool> mm: in general, think geolocation should be in its own profile, even if it is small
11:53:27 <kaz> ack m
11:53:48 <McCool> ... since there are many other ways to do it, and baking this one way into common constraints seems premature
11:54:04 <McCool> ... but for now I am ok with merging as long as we add an issue to discuss it later
11:54:23 <McCool> ml: add issues 264
11:54:55 <McCool> ml: back to unit of measurement, allows unit of measurement to be specified
11:55:53 <McCool> mm: agree with insisting on m and not allowing other units, if only because specifying units is complicated
11:56:27 <McCool> ben: this is what we do in webthings, use only SI, then translating into other units as localization
11:57:02 <kaz> ack b
11:57:42 <McCool> mm: I think we just add an informative note that "Since this is a number only, the units are assumed to be m."
11:58:08 <benfrancis> q+
11:58:11 <McCool> kaz: we also have been talking a lot with SDW about how to do
11:58:26 <kaz> ack k
12:00:08 <kaz> s/how to do/how to do. So we need to think about how to deal with geolocation information in near future, though citing schema.org if a good starting point./
12:00:41 <kaz> s/we also/Agree to add that kind of note. Please remember we also/
12:00:49 <McCool> mm: really don't feel comfortable putting it under common constraints for now
12:00:50 <kaz> q?
12:01:35 <McCool> ben: feel we are pulling on the thread of a much bigger issue with this geolocation information
12:02:23 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:02:27 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:02:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:02:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/31-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz