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11:53:15 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG Teleconference
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12:03:04 <xfq> Topic: TPAC
12:03:22 <xiaoqian> https://tpac2022-china-hub.netlify.app/#/miniapp
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12:04:06 <martin> present+ martin
12:04:16 <tomayac> present+ Thomas_Steiner
12:04:40 <xiaoqian> xfq: the detail agenda is not ready yet
12:05:11 <xiaoqian> ... first part is the Hackathon for MiniApps specs
12:05:37 <xiaoqian> ... second part is the MiniApps WG meeting, specs status and plan
12:05:57 <xiaoqian> ... third part is the CG meeting, a few proposals
12:06:14 <xiaoqian> ... 3 talks, one from the Taro team of JD.com
12:06:30 <xiaoqian> ... another one from Dingdao, about Manifest
12:06:49 <xiaoqian> ... the last one is from GeekTech, about MiniApps on Desktop
12:07:09 <xiaoqian> ... one more from Microsoft, about PWA and MiniApps
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12:07:29 <xiaoqian> zitao: @@
12:08:11 <xiaoqian> [explain the MiniApps Frameworks and specs]
12:09:11 <xiaoqian> ... it would be great if we can show the architect of a miniapp framework in the Hackathon
12:09:20 <xiaoqian> ... JD Taro can be an example
12:09:37 <xiaoqian> ... but we need to think about the next steps
12:10:01 <xiaoqian> ... do you think this is should be part of the Hackathon or the CG meeting?
12:10:12 <xiaoqian> s/this is/this
12:11:16 <xiaoqian> dan: what's the plan for the WG meeting?
12:11:49 <xiaoqian> zitao: I think the testbed project is one of the important steps of our specs development
12:12:01 <xiaoqian> ... we can Cfp in this meeting
12:13:20 <xiaoqian> ... we are also looking for speakers from other vendors
12:13:50 <xiaoqian> ... Qing An can introduce MiniApp on Cars
12:14:31 <xiaoqian> ... we can also introduce our polypill project in the Hackathon
12:14:49 <xiaoqian> ... the joint project of the Huawei, Baidu and Alibaba
12:15:07 <xiaoqian> ... to show support from these 3 vendors
12:16:26 <xfq> present+ QingAn
12:20:26 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/194
12:21:59 <xfq> xiaoqian: I have a question for martin  and tomayac
12:22:09 <xfq> ... I wonder if you'd like to join the WG meeting
12:22:22 <xfq> ... and if so, do you need multi-language support?
12:22:43 <xfq> martin: if I can, I'd be glad to join
12:23:07 <xfq> xiaoqian: the Hackathon is in the morning, which isn't an ideal time for you
12:23:14 <xfq> ... but you can join the WG and CG meetings
12:23:20 <tomayac> Time permitting (and given translation), I'd be happy to attend, too. Likewise, I'd be interested in reading the summary.
12:24:00 <xfq> Topic: Lifecycle
12:24:48 <xfq> qing: lifecycle has completed privacy, a11y, and i18n review
12:24:58 <xfq> ... i'm working on addressing the comments
12:25:21 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/issues/32
12:25:40 <xfq> qing: i've looked at other lifecycle specs
12:25:50 <xfq> ... but didn't see a11y related text
12:25:54 <xfq> ... will work with PING
12:26:02 <xfq> ... to address this issue
12:26:40 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/issues/31
12:26:43 <xfq> qing: simple one
12:27:00 <xfq> ... will try to provide more detailed explanations
12:27:28 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/issues/30
12:27:36 <xfq> qing: I've sent a PR
12:27:50 <xfq> ... I have discussed this issue with Xiaomi
12:28:01 <xfq> ... and PING made a similar comment
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12:28:27 <xfq> ... I'm trying to use events instead of callbacks
12:28:53 <xfq> ... still need time to evaluate if the PR satisfies the requirements
12:29:27 <xfq> ... Page Lifecycle also uses addEventListener instead of callbacks
12:29:34 <xfq> dan: thanks
12:29:37 <xfq> ... any comments?
12:30:37 <xfq> qing: if would be good if you and zitao can review it
12:30:40 <xfq> zitao: will do
12:30:46 <xfq> dan: ok
12:31:54 <xfq> Topic: Manifest
12:32:35 <martin> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/43
12:33:16 <xfq> martin: this issue is about the alignment of MiniApp's app_id and Web App Manifest's id member
12:33:23 <xfq> ... raised by tomayac
12:33:53 <xfq> ... I already raised an issue against WAM
12:34:30 <xfq> ... MiniApps don't have document URLs because it's distributed in multiple ways
12:34:40 <xfq> ... it's still open
12:34:51 <xfq> ... IMO if we can adopt the id from WAM it would be great
12:34:55 <xfq> ... but no news so far
12:35:01 <martin> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/54
12:35:18 <xfq> martin: this is something I can do
12:35:55 <martin> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/55
12:35:55 <xfq> ... based on the text in the white paper
12:36:29 <xfq> martin: PING is asking how to validate / verify app_id
12:36:43 <xfq> ... I will work on this issue
12:36:48 <martin> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/56
12:37:03 <xfq> martin: this is also from PING
12:37:45 <xfq> ... asking for clarification on "sessions"
12:38:13 <xfq> ... if you have any comments feel free to comment on the issue
12:38:23 <martin> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/issues/57
12:38:32 <xfq> martin: this issue is raised by tomayac
12:39:01 <tomayac> (Noting that there's no accepted solution yet, so having mini app requirements be part of the discussion would be very much welcome!)
12:39:03 <xfq> ... similar to #43
12:39:04 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/3 : Discussion of page configuration file
12:39:57 <xfq> ... if we can do it, we're happy to align with WAM
12:40:26 <xfq> martin: no new PRs or commits this month
12:41:02 <xfq> dan: maybe we can clarify the relationship in the explainer
12:41:17 <xfq> martin: yes, and add notes to the spec
12:42:00 <xfq> Topic: Packaging
12:42:30 <xfq> martin: wide review has started
12:42:45 <xfq> ... I know we will get some comments
12:42:57 <xfq> ... because we're missing an important part of the packaging
12:43:03 <xfq> ... the "content" of the miniapp
12:43:10 <xfq> ... HTML/CSS/JS
12:43:32 <xfq> ... so far I've included some "placeholders"
12:44:13 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/30
12:44:46 <xfq> Topic: Testing
12:45:01 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-tests
12:46:36 <xfq> [martin introduces the structure of a test]
12:48:34 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-tests/issues/7
12:48:50 <xfq> martin: xfq raised an issue about how to run the tests
12:49:15 <xfq> ... I wrote some information on how to write tests and generate reports
12:50:23 <xfq> ... I created some tests about manifest, packaging, and lifecycle
12:51:32 <xfq> ... feel free to try it
12:51:57 <xfq> ... so far we cannot test the MiniApps, but hopefully we can test them in the near future
12:52:06 <xfq> ... using the conversion tool or whatever
12:52:18 <xfq> ... the .ma files are the packages themselves
12:52:44 <xfq> ... please have a look
12:53:30 <xfq> Topic: Addressing
12:53:33 <xfq> dan: no progress
12:53:46 <xfq> Topic: Widget
12:54:06 <xfq> xiaoping: updated the PR a bit, nothing worth mentioning
12:54:22 <xfq> ... can talk about it in next month's TPAC
12:55:24 <xfq> dan: next meeting is tpac
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