IRC log of apa on 2022-08-24

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 24 August 2022
13:52:52 [Matthew_Atkinson]
zakim, clear the agenda
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agenda cleared
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Chair: Matthew_Atkinson
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present+
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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:53:48 [Matthew_Atkinson]
agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:53:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
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agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:53:56 [Matthew_Atkinson]
agenda+ APA Review of Draft AGWG Charter https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html
13:53:58 [Matthew_Atkinson]
agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ be done
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agenda?
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14:00:13 [Fredrik]
present+
14:00:48 [Joshue108]
present+
14:02:28 [Roy]
present+
14:03:41 [alii]
present+
14:03:50 [alii]
scribe: Irfan Ali
14:03:54 [alii]
zakim, next item
14:03:54 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:03:57 [janina]
present+
14:04:01 [Matthew_Atkinson]
subtopic: CSS CfC
14:04:42 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: call for consensus in progress
14:04:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0021.html
14:05:07 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: it is only open until end of the day. please vote
14:05:25 [Matthew_Atkinson]
subtopic: WCAG CfC
14:05:42 [Matthew_Atkinson]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0023.html
14:06:01 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: we have 2.2 CI horizontal review, CFC. this one will also open until end of the day.
14:07:20 [alii]
janina: I will take a second look on the content.
14:08:29 [alii]
janina: we may need to re-run for the CFC if we need to make any content change
14:10:06 [Matthew_Atkinson]
subtopic: Adapt CR
14:10:46 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: Janina can go in the details about the process.
14:11:21 [Roy]
q+
14:11:42 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: we have a compliment section in specs of dos and donts. we have a CFC for the people to adapt the changes.
14:12:22 [Matthew_Atkinson]
s/a compliment section/a conformance section/
14:12:31 [alii]
janina: this requires documents consensus. I expect that pull requests will be merged soon so that we can send a CFC
14:13:24 [Roy]
https://w3c.github.io/adapt/content/#conformance
14:13:48 [alii]
Roy: I have reviewed two pull requests and merged it already.
14:14:06 [alii]
Roy: janina can use the conformance section to review
14:14:45 [alii]
Roy: there is a link in the implementation report. I will fix all of the issues and merge it into the pull request
14:15:07 [alii]
zakim, next item
14:15:08 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, alii
14:15:14 [Roy]
ack me
14:15:15 [alii]
ack roy
14:15:23 [Matthew_Atkinson]
agenda?
14:15:57 [alii]
zakim, next item
14:15:57 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:04 [alii]
zakim, close this item
14:16:04 [Zakim]
agendum 2 closed
14:16:06 [Zakim]
I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:16:06 [Zakim]
3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:07 [alii]
zakim, next item
14:16:07 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:10 [alii]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
14:16:11 [Zakim]
I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:16:11 [Zakim]
4. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:14 [alii]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:22 [alii]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 4 closed
14:16:23 [Zakim]
I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:16:23 [Zakim]
5. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:24 [alii]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:28 [alii]
zakim, close this item
14:16:28 [Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
14:16:29 [Zakim]
I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:16:29 [Zakim]
6. APA Review of Draft AGWG Charter https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:16:31 [alii]
zakim, next item
14:16:31 [Zakim]
agendum 6 -- APA Review of Draft AGWG Charter https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:17:03 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: we need to address this. we mentioned about it last week. we want to get feedback form the people
14:17:14 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: this is about formatting on all charters
14:17:30 [janina]
q?
14:17:53 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: thats going to be addressed separately. should concentrate if we have any question on the content. if anyone has any questions/concerns on this proposed charter, please let us know
14:18:07 [alii]
janina: we should give a chance people to read it
14:21:56 [Matthew_Atkinson]
q?
14:22:06 [alii]
ack janina
14:22:52 [alii]
janina: there was an assumption built to the charter. it assumes that 2.2 went to the CR which becomes the w3 recommendations
14:24:03 [alii]
janina: it talks about working on 3.0 which seems it all about. we are only 2 weeks away from TPAC and we still do not have CR ready.
14:24:30 [mike_beganyi]
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present+
14:27:11 [alii]
janina: publishing 2.2 in CR doesn't mean we are done.
14:28:35 [alii]
janina: I think we should split the advisory group into two part. one can work on 2.2 and other can focus on 3.0
14:30:31 [Matthew_Atkinson]
q?
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14:31:59 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: wonder if we are section 4 success criteria
14:32:21 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: this section doesn't make any sense in reality
14:33:35 [alii]
s/wonder if we are section/wonder if we are practicing section/
14:35:13 [alii]
janina: APA agrees that WCAG is important and 2.2 and 3.0 should be published soon
14:37:08 [alii]
we want to see 2.2. and 3.0 move forward
14:39:20 [Matthew_Atkinson]
s/should be published soon/should be allowed to continue unimpeded/
14:39:25 [Matthew_Atkinson]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/24-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:39:27 [janina]
q+DRAFT RESOLUTION: APA confirms it considers both WCAG 2.2 and WCAG 3 important for accessibility and wishes to say each of them proceed unimpeded.
14:40:11 [alii]
DRAFT RESOLUTION: APA confirms it considers both WCAG 2.2 and WCAG 3 important for accessibility and wishes to say each of them proceed unimpeded.
14:40:14 [janina]
+1
14:40:17 [alii]
+1
14:40:19 [mike_beganyi]
+1
14:40:19 [Matthew_Atkinson]
+1
14:40:20 [Fredrik]
+1
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14:42:55 [alii]
janina: W3 policy requires disclosure on intellectual properly and that has to happen during CR.
14:43:22 [alii]
janina: advisory committee takes 30 days to approve the proposed recommendations.
14:44:28 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: do you think there ar any other option to extended existing charter or rewrite it.
14:44:36 [alii]
janina: there should be two groups
14:45:03 [alii]
janina: they could take the charter from 2018 and change the date.
14:45:24 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: extend the current charter or split the group?
14:46:30 [alii]
janina: lets assume one year extension. at that point if it still has not happened, what are we going to do?
14:48:06 [alii]
agenda?
14:49:27 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: another option is not going for 2.2
14:49:45 [Matthew_Atkinson]
s/another option/another option (arising from group discussion)/
14:49:48 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/24-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:50:05 [alii]
zakim, next item
14:50:05 [Zakim]
agendum 7 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:50:42 [alii]
zakim, previous item
14:50:42 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'previous item', alii
14:50:53 [alii]
zakim, take up item 6
14:50:53 [Zakim]
agendum 6 -- APA Review of Draft AGWG Charter https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:51:12 [janina]
+1 to current draft charter not meaningful
14:51:15 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: who agrees that current charter is not meaningful?
14:51:17 [alii]
+1
14:51:21 [janina]
+1
14:51:21 [mike_beganyi]
+1
14:51:28 [Fredrik]
+1
14:51:32 [Matthew_Atkinson]
+1
14:51:53 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: where do you think we should go with this?
14:52:41 [janina]
DRAFT RESOLUTION: Current draft charter on github is not meaningful path forward
14:53:03 [janina]
+1
14:53:06 [alii]
+1
14:53:07 [Matthew_Atkinson]
+1
14:53:09 [mike_beganyi]
+1
14:53:13 [Fredrik]
+1
14:53:31 [alii]
RESOLUTION: Current draft charter on github is not meaningful path forward
14:53:44 [alii]
RESOLUTION: APA confirms it considers both WCAG 2.2 and WCAG 3 important for accessibility and wishes to say each of them proceed unimpeded.
14:53:57 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/24-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:53:59 [janina]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/24-apa-minutes.html janina
14:54:33 [alii]
zakim, take up item 7
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agendum 7 -- TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:54:54 [alii]
Matthew_Atkinson: we have scheduled 7 meetings and expecting more to follow
14:56:11 [Matthew_Atkinson]
https://www.w3.org/2022/09/TPAC/venue.html
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/24-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/24-apa-minutes.html alii
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janina has changed the topic to: APA Weekly Teleconference; Wednesday 31 August
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