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12:01:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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12:02:00 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Seastian_Kaebisch
12:02:08 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#17_August_2022
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12:03:02 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura
12:06:25 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:08:10 <McCool_> topic: minutes
12:08:29 <kaz> scribenick: McCool_
12:08:52 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-minutes.html Aug-3
12:08:55 <McCool_> seb: need to review two minutes, Aug 3 and Aug 10
12:10:02 <McCool_> mm: typo: joined -> joint
12:10:29 <McCool_> seb: JSON-LD, APA; will discuss APA later today
12:11:20 <McCool_> ... talked about publications, wide review, testing, charter extension, liaisons, WoT CG, TF reports...
12:12:09 <McCool_> ... any objections to publishing Aug 3 minutes?
12:12:18 <McCool_> ... hearing none, will publish
12:12:25 <McCool_> seb: now Aug 10 minutes
12:12:49 <McCool_> ... some discussion of profile next steps, options
12:12:51 <kaz> i|now|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-minutes.html Aug-10|
12:13:49 <McCool_> seb: what we do with profiles depends on next plugfest in late sept/oct
12:14:01 <McCool_> ... but if no progress by then, will have to postpone
12:14:16 <McCool_> ... did some TPAC planning, discussed pre-meeting
12:14:45 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:14:58 <McCool_> ... want to include WoT CG and Japanese WoT CG
12:15:30 <McCool_> ... had a resolution to start two-week review for Discovery and TD
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12:15:47 <McCool_> mm: note that by TPAC we will be well past the two-week review period
12:16:05 <McCool_> seb: also reviewed number of at-risk items
12:16:36 <McCool_> ... no news yet from DTDL
12:17:47 <McCool_> seb: any objections to publish?
12:17:56 <McCool_> ... hearing none, will publish
12:18:00 <McCool_> topic: quick updates
12:18:43 <kaz> subtopic: WG rejoining
12:18:43 <McCool_> seb: WoT WG rejoin procedure - may need to ask your AC rep, need to rejoin since charter was updated
12:18:54 <McCool_> ... needed to get emails, work on github PRs
12:18:56 <kaz> i|WoT|-> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/wot/join rejoin form|
12:19:01 <McCool_> ... still 22 orgs are missing
12:19:20 <McCool_> mm: did see reminder emails
12:19:25 <kaz> subtopic: Cancellations
12:19:37 <McCool_> seb: many cancelled meetings over the next few weeks
12:19:49 <McCool_> ... see wiki for summary
12:19:53 <kaz> i|many ca|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations and Schedule Updates|
12:20:12 <dape> q+
12:20:21 <kaz> ack d
12:20:41 <McCool_> mm: not sure if we will have discovery and security next week, will send an email to see who is available
12:21:01 <McCool_> dape: scripting we also need to check for next week
12:21:13 <dape> ack dape
12:21:18 <McCool_> seb: regarding pre-TPAC, will discuss later
12:21:26 <McCool_> ... reorganizing
12:22:30 <McCool_> mm: if you want to cancel a meeting, please update the wiki and I will cancel in the W3C calendar over the weekend
12:23:17 <McCool_> seb: will cancel the ones I know about, e.g. TD
12:23:28 <McCool_> topic: TPAC
12:29:54 <kaz> (McCool gives summary of the TPAC agenda and post-TPAC meeting agenda)
12:30:28 <kaz> q+
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12:31:01 <McCool_> mm: number of things that we needed to shuffle around due to sebastian; need to confirm dates
12:31:16 <McCool_> seb: any concerns with the proposed dates?
12:31:26 <kaz> ack k
12:31:54 <kaz> s/post-TPAC/pre-TPAC (which now should be "post-TPAC")/
12:32:21 <McCool_> mm: let's just confirm dates, we can still tweak the agenda
12:32:34 <kaz> i|McCool gives|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2022#TPAC_Agenda WoT TPAC agenda|
12:32:37 <McCool_> seb: ok, let's do a resolution
12:33:20 <kaz> i|McCool gives|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2022#TPAC_Agenda pre-TPAC agenda|
12:33:28 <McCool_> proposal: have extra-TPAC meetings on Sept 5, 6, 7, and Sept 17, 18, at 8-10 Eastern
12:33:53 <McCool_> proposal: have extra-TPAC meetings on Sept 5, 6, 7, and Sept 21, 22, at 8-10 Eastern
12:34:20 <McCool_> proposal: have extra-TPAC meetings on Sept 6, 7, and Sept 19, 21, 22, at 8-10 Eastern
12:34:40 <kaz> q+
12:34:58 <McCool_> proposal: have extra-TPAC meetings on Sept 6, 7 (M and T), and Sept 19 (M), 21 (W), 22 (th), at 8-10 Eastern
12:35:30 <McCool_> proposal: have pre-TPAC meetings on Sept 6, 7 (M and T), and post-TPAC Sept 19 (M), 21 (W), 22 (th), at 8-10 Eastern
12:35:43 <McCool_> proposal: have pre-TPAC meetings on Sept 6, 7 (M and T), and post-TPAC Sept 20 (T), 21 (W), 22 (th), at 8-10 Eastern
12:36:03 <McCool_> proposal: have pre-TPAC meetings on Sept 6 (M), 7 (T), and post-TPAC Sept 20 (T), 21 (W), 22 (th), at 8-10 Eastern
12:36:26 <McCool_> resolution: have pre-TPAC meetings on Sept 6 (M), 7 (T), and post-TPAC Sept 20 (T), 21 (W), 22 (th), at 8-10 Eastern
12:37:13 <McCool_> seb: I have corrected dates in wiki
12:37:22 <McCool_> mm: I will reorganize later to put in order
12:40:16 <McCool_> mm: there was also an email to APA I drafted (reviewed, sent)
12:40:28 <McCool_> seb: other TPAC things... early bird is over, but reg needed
12:40:33 <McCool_> topic: publications
12:40:45 <kaz> i/let's just/kaz: given Sebastian's availability, etc., we need to shift the date and consider the possibility of a "post-TPAC" meeting as well./
12:41:35 <kaz> (McCool gives updates on TAG reviews)
12:41:59 <kaz> mm: Architecture still need some more work
12:42:20 <kaz> ... will have discussion during the Security call on next Monday
12:42:21 <kaz> q?
12:42:23 <kaz> ack k
12:43:13 <kaz> ... issues with testability of security/privacy assertions
12:43:25 <kaz> q+
12:44:02 <kaz> (Sebastian mentions a remaining issue from i18n for TD)
12:44:19 <kaz> -> 175
12:45:16 <McCool_> mm: as far as I know all internationalization issues for discovery have been dealt with
12:45:31 <McCool_> kaz: noticed some were closed, but we are still working on them
12:46:24 <McCool_> kaz: if things are closed, we should stop discussion
12:47:07 <McCool_> mm: mostly this only applies to tag issue; should reopen until it is done; otherwise, if closed, should stop discussoin
12:48:06 <McCool_> mm: kaz, if you have Dan's email, can you contact him
12:48:11 <kaz> ack k
12:48:34 <McCool_> seb: regarding TD, WD published last week, made call for review for CR transition, now one week in
12:48:59 <McCool_> ... also new working draft
12:51:05 <kaz> s|-> 175|-> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/175 i18n-request issue 175 - Web of Things (WoT) Discovery 2022-04-27 > 2022-08-30|
12:51:07 <McCool_> proposal: Start two-week review process today, Aug 17 for current editor's draft of Discovery as CR candidate, with a resolution to make CR transition during TPAC meetings.
12:51:12 <kaz> s/for TD/for Discovery/
12:51:36 <McCool_> proposal: Start two-week review process today, Aug 17 for current editor's draft of Discovery as CR candidate, with a resolution to make CR transition during TPAC meetings (optionally, post-TPAC meetings).
12:52:02 <McCool_> resolution: Start two-week review process today, Aug 17 for current editor's draft of Discovery as CR candidate, with a resolution to make CR transition during TPAC meetings (optionally, post-TPAC meetings).
12:52:19 <kaz> i/regarding TD/kaz: can let you know about Dan's email
12:53:22 <McCool_> mm: not sure current version can be considered a CR candidate, need to do some assertion cleanup
12:53:46 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
12:54:54 <McCool_> mm: I think if we do this the week immediately after TPAC it works with the schedule --- just
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12:57:01 <McCool_> mm: regarding testing, still working on various IR things
12:57:02 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:57:14 <McCool_> ... will be emailing people to update implementation descriptions
12:57:35 <McCool_> seb: regarding liaisons, a doodle poll ongoing for next OPC UA
12:58:01 <kaz> q+
12:58:22 <McCool_> mm: please tweak the post-TPAC meeting schedule based on the result of the poll
12:58:45 <kaz> ack k
12:59:29 <kaz> kaz: think our own pre-TPAC and post-TPAC meetings should have higher priority than the liaison meeting at this stage
12:59:40 <kaz> q?
12:59:52 <McCool_> mm: true, just pointing out it is currently on the agenda, may need to take it out
13:00:36 <McCool_> ... also, we should keep management and technical topics separately
13:00:36 <McCool_> ... things like terms of an MOU should be done in a smaller group
13:00:56 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:00:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:02:17 <kaz> topic: TPAC breakout
13:02:29 <kaz> mm: has submitted a proposal for TPAC breakout
13:02:37 <McCool_> ege: wot cg, need to figure out arrangement so people can join without registering
13:02:47 <McCool_> mm: we could move it to pre- or post- meetings
13:03:02 <kaz> q+
13:03:04 <McCool_> ... also attending breakouts does not require registration
13:03:18 <McCool_> ... also want to point out breakout proposal, will aim for 3pm PT slot
13:03:57 <kaz> ack k
13:04:12 <kaz> i|has submitted|-> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2022/SessionIdeas#Web_of_Things_.28WoT.29_Status_Update_and_Demos WoT demo breakout|
13:04:23 <kaz> i/wot cg/topic: WoT CG/
13:05:22 <McCool_> kaz: we need to organize this, and not all steps can be done in the IG/WG
13:05:44 <kaz> q?
13:05:50 <McCool_> mm: right, and note that ege is doing some prep work offline, contact him if you would like to discuss
13:08:31 <kaz> i|right|kaz: technically, CGs can do anything they want, but this time specifically, the WoT CG would like to collaborate with the WoT-IG/WG and also would like to take over some of the WoT-IG's roles, so we need to clarify which group would take what roles.|
13:08:37 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:08:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:08:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:17:20 <kaz> i/given Sebastian's/scribenick: kaz/
13:17:33 <kaz> i/let's just confirm/scribenick: McCool_/
13:17:48 <kaz> i/Architecture still need/scribenick: kaz/
13:17:57 <kaz> i/as far as I know/scribenick: McCool_/
13:18:08 <kaz> i/can let you/scribenick: kaz/
13:18:18 <kaz> i/regarding TD/scribenick: McCool_/
13:18:29 <kaz> i/think our own/scribenick: kaz/
13:18:40 <kaz> i/true, just/scribenick: McCool_/
13:18:49 <kaz> i/has submitted/scribenick: kaz/
13:19:01 <kaz> i/wot cg,/scribenick: McCool_/
13:19:09 <kaz> i/technically/scribenick: kaz/
13:19:17 <kaz> i/right, and/scribenick: McCool_/
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