IRC log of wot-marketing on 2022-08-16

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11:03:37 [kaz]

meeting: WoT Marketing

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chair: Ege

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan

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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima

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present+ Michael_McCool

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Marketing_WebConf#August_16.2C_2022

11:09:01 [McCool]

topic: minutes

11:09:16 [McCool]

ege: review minutes of Aug 9

11:09:26 [kaz]

i|review|-> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/09-wot-marketing-minutes.html Aug-9|

11:10:29 [McCool]

... again, would like to expand the initials

11:10:38 [McCool]

kaz: will also add your name to the chairs

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ege: otherwise looks good, if no objections can publish after fixes

11:11:13 [McCool]

... no objections

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topic: PRs

11:11:28 [McCool]

subtopic: PR #336

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ege: history of standardization

11:12:12 [McCool]

... some feedback: pictures, second workshop

11:13:12 [McCool]

... made some edits, added some pictures

11:13:23 [kaz]

q+

11:13:47 [McCool]

... however, need to find pictures, workshop

11:14:49 [McCool]

kaz: will dig into webserver but will take some time

11:15:28 [McCool]

mm: would be better to archive pictures somewhere we can access, so we solve this problem once

11:15:51 [McCool]

kaz: when do you need them by?

11:16:53 [McCool]

mm: I would also like to do an editorial pass, so at least a couple of weeks

11:17:06 [McCool]

ege: can look at it again at the end of Aug/TPAC

11:17:40 [kaz]

q+

11:18:17 [McCool]

ege: unfortunately most pictures don't show any women

11:18:43 [McCool]

mm: true, but we could use the shot showing the entire audience of the second workshop

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kaz: also a space problem with pictures

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ege: right, if put in github will blow up the repo

11:19:45 [McCool]

kaz: maybe can just store the links, eg. and index page, in the repo

11:19:57 [McCool]

subtopic: Pr #331

11:20:02 [kaz]

ack k

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/16-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz

11:20:24 [McCool]

ege: about reorganizing explainers, made a checklist last time, worked through

11:20:32 [McCool]

... so there is a new draft

11:21:27 [McCool]

... now explainers are linked, but titled as explainers

11:22:03 [McCool]

mm: only TD 1.1, do we wait for discovery?

11:22:48 [McCool]

ege: would like to merge this now, do discovery later

11:22:53 [kaz]

i|ege: history of standardization|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/336 PR 336 - Adding History of the Standardization|

11:22:55 [McCool]

... let me create an issue

11:23:03 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/16-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz

11:23:04 [Ege]

q?

11:23:32 [McCool]

mm: ok let's merge

11:23:46 [Ege]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/338

11:23:54 [McCool]

ege: (merged)

11:23:57 [kaz]

i|ege: about reorganizing explainers, made a checklist last time, worked through|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/331 PR 331 - Move Explainer to Marketing repo|

11:24:03 [McCool]

topic: issues

11:24:05 [kaz]

s/https/-> https/

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subtopic: issue #329

11:24:27 [McCool]

ege: json schema case study; draft of case study, under review

11:24:38 [kaz]

s/338/338 Issue 338 - Add Discovery Explainer/

11:24:53 [McCool]

topic: IG-CG discussion

11:25:13 [McCool]

ege: don't plan to do this every week, maybe biweekly or once a month

11:25:33 [McCool]

... propose starting Sept 6 but that is TPAC pre-meeting, people will be busy

11:25:46 [kaz]

q+

11:26:29 [McCool]

mm: might be ok to have it in pre-TPAC if include discussion of next WG charter items

11:26:47 [kaz]

i|ege: json schema case study;|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/329 Issue 329 - JSON Schema Case Study|

11:27:41 [McCool]

mm: seeking input on priorities and use cases

11:28:06 [McCool]

kaz: as staff, most important point is clarifying responsibilities of each group

11:28:43 [McCool]

... don't think we should continue this discussion, and make final decision about responsibilities

11:29:03 [McCool]

ege: you mean responsibilities that CG should take?

11:29:34 [McCool]

kaz: for example, don't necessarily need wot-marketing TF after CG starts

11:30:58 [McCool]

mm: need to get a clear resolution

11:31:55 [McCool]

ege: agree, but don't understand exact first step to take

11:35:24 [McCool]

... don't know where resolution should go

11:37:55 [McCool]

mm: suggest create issue in wot repo, draft a resolution, schedule time to discuss in TPAC pre-meeting, in the meantime label issue in wot-marketing

11:38:11 [McCool]

ege: propose to create an issue right now then

11:40:33 [McCool]

mm: need to capture and resolve some sticking points, e.g. distinguishing official WG/IG anouncements from CG material

11:40:59 [McCool]

... we just need a policy

11:41:25 [McCool]

kaz: and from current pages, need to figure out which are managed by which group

11:42:20 [McCool]

... just creating github issues is not enough, need a draft policy

11:42:53 [McCool]

... maybe a diagram, listing of pages

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... locations and types of content

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mm: want to make sure the directory structure is clear

11:45:37 [McCool]

ege: if move repo, will have to update web site redirection as well

11:45:51 [McCool]

mm: that should not be a problem, the wot-marketing name is troublesome anyway

11:46:17 [McCool]

kaz: also need to talk to W3M about publishing responsibilities, etc.

11:46:48 [McCool]

ege: don't understand exact issues here...

11:46:58 [McCool]

kaz: we did discuss it before

11:49:26 [McCool]

... may need to have another call about process

11:49:45 [McCool]

mm: we really just need exact steps to go from here to there

11:50:27 [McCool]

ege: get the feeling the previous discussion was not clear; who has the work, what needs to be done?

11:50:46 [McCool]

kaz: before creating detailed issues and PRs, need design and policy

11:51:13 [McCool]

ege: so where do we write that content if we don't use github?

11:51:58 [McCool]

... I felt in particular that we have already clarified our expectations

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kaz: which group is responsible for what resources

11:55:27 [McCool]

mm: still feel we should use the wot repo to organize a resolution, at least for the IG/WG resolution

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... but some homework needs to be done to consolidate prior discussion

11:56:28 [McCool]

kaz: there are also multiple groups now, including Japanese WoT CG, Ben's group, etc.

11:57:38 [McCool]

kaz: also, need to have another resolution for "groups" that are involved in WoT

11:58:41 [McCool]

ege: Publishing@W3C page mentions activities

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kaz: obsolete terminology, unfortunately

12:03:41 [McCool]

mm: suggest we make a list of things to do in the issue, and Kaz should comment on additional tasks

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kaz: I am a little worried about visibility of this discussion

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mm: we could use a private repo

12:09:07 [McCool]

ege: ok, let me do that

12:10:23 [McCool]

mm: let's aim to get a draft done by the pre-TPAC, then get input, then aim to finalize that it that week

12:10:43 [McCool]

... maybe can allocate two slots; first to discuss draft and gather input, second for actual resolution

12:17:29 [kaz]

[adjourned]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/16-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz

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