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14:03:20 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
14:03:25 <kaz> chair: Sebastian
14:03:45 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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14:09:40 <sebastian> topic: minutes
14:09:54 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-td-minutes.html
14:10:15 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
14:15:56 <sebastian> any objections?
14:16:01 <sebastian> no
14:16:39 <sebastian> topic: IANA TM content type registration
14:16:59 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/931
14:21:40 <dape> q+
14:22:00 <sebastian> references to the security sections are now fixed by WD4
14:22:52 <dape> ack dape
14:23:20 <sebastian> IANA suggest also to add section 6 of the RFC6901
14:23:25 <sebastian> any objections?
14:23:55 <sebastian> Daniel: maybe its not good to link to specific setions which may changed in the future
14:24:09 <sebastian> I think the document is stable and will be not changed anymore
14:24:21 <sebastian> otherwise a new RFC will be published
14:25:15 <kaz> i|IANA|-> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6901 RFC 6901|
14:25:23 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:25:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:25:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:25:27 <dape> q+
14:25:58 <sebastian> I accendenty commited this new text to the main
14:26:02 <dape> ack dape
14:26:03 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/931
14:26:32 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:27:52 <sebastian> the section 6 should have a seperate link othwerwise it goes to section 3 only
14:28:03 <sebastian> topic: PRs
14:29:06 <sebastian> subtopic: #1564
14:29:13 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1564
14:29:40 <sebastian> Ege: I draw another kind of representation. Kind of decission tree
14:30:07 <sebastian> ... please comment on this or you have another ideas for a compact representation
14:32:50 <sebastian> ... since this is just informative, can be also included at later point such as during CR review phase or transition
14:33:47 <sebastian> subtopic: #1630
14:33:53 <kaz> q+
14:33:54 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1630/files
14:35:02 <sebastian> JSON Schema fix for instanceName
14:38:35 <sebastian> Kaz: back to PR 1564, we may ask Zoltan and ask for ideas about a representation
14:38:44 <kaz> i|I draw ano|-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1564.html#sec-response-usage preview - 5.3.4.2.2 Response-related Terms Usage|
14:40:05 <kaz> s/we may/it depends on whether we want to express the rule as (1) combination of possible options or (2) some kind of algorithm. We might want to/
14:40:16 <sebastian> decide to merge #1630
14:40:31 <kaz> s/and ask for ideas/for opinions/
14:40:49 <kaz> s/representation/possible representation/
14:40:52 <sebastian> subtopic: #1638
14:40:58 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1638
14:41:48 <cris> q+
14:41:53 <sebastian> Ege: can it be that some assertion where removed for security, can it be?
14:43:04 <cris> ack c
14:43:06 <sebastian> MM: yes this is ok
14:43:27 <sebastian> we discussed this last week already
14:44:19 <kaz> ack k
14:44:33 <sebastian> decided to merge
14:48:23 <dape> q+
14:48:24 <kaz> q+
14:48:48 <sebastian> subtopic: #1649
14:48:52 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1649
14:49:24 <dape> ack dape
14:49:54 <cris> q+
14:50:34 <sebastian> Daniel: a recommendation also allows to use a complete different strategy, right?
14:50:37 <sebastian> yes
14:51:27 <kaz> i|Daniel:|-> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1649.html#thing-model-composition preview - 9.3.3 Composition|
14:51:40 <sebastian> Kaz: maybe we should also ask JSON-LD for some advice
14:56:50 <sebastian> q?
14:58:31 <sebastian> Cris: for consumer this flexiblity makes everything comblicated since it is maybe not identifyable where which property definitions is comming from
14:58:48 <kaz> s/comblicated/complicated/
15:02:03 <cris> ack c
15:02:06 <kaz> s/maybe we should/we're using JSON-LD as the basis for TD and TM, so we could define some additional namespace to distinguish instanceName. Maybe/
15:02:08 <kaz> q-
15:03:39 <kaz> q+
15:04:10 <sebastian> decided not to merge yet, another iteration is needed
15:04:48 <kaz> ack k
15:06:50 <kaz> kaz: btw, basically this issue (=Issue 1556 which is the basis of PR 1649) is related to the mechanism of objective programming language's inheritance between a Class and an Instance. So we should have that viewpoint as well.
15:06:58 <kaz> i/btw/scribenick: kaz/
15:07:05 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
15:08:20 <sebastian> subtopic: #1652
15:08:36 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1652
15:09:01 <sebastian> Ege: I think there is no need to define an assertion for this. An explaintion would be enough
15:09:37 <sebastian> MM: I'm agree with Ege
15:10:48 <kaz> s/I'm/I/
15:10:49 <sebastian> ok, will ne not be merged. I will provide an update
15:11:29 <sebastian> subtopic: #1653
15:11:34 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1653
15:12:00 <sebastian> Ege: just a JSON Schema extension for security definitions
15:14:14 <sebastian> Cris: there is a script that takes over from TD Schema to the TM Schema. We should check if this is not result a manditory definition in TMs, which shouldn't
15:15:55 <sebastian> Ege: I will check later and will merge this PR then
15:16:02 <sebastian> group is ok with it
15:16:15 <sebastian> subtopic: #1654
15:16:19 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1654
15:18:02 <sebastian> Ege: there is a popular python validation that is not working with the current 'items' definition
15:18:41 <sebastian> Cris: is it a bug by our schema or by the implementation?
15:18:49 <sebastian> Ege: its a bug in our schema
15:20:21 <sebastian> ... prefixItems means everything is in order. Its still an array.
15:21:03 <sebastian> ... however, I'm waiting for some feedback form the JSON Schema authors. Maybe they have some additional comments.
15:21:24 <sebastian> ok, then lets wait until they response to Ege's mail
15:25:03 <sebastian> subtopic: #1657
15:25:09 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1657/
15:26:41 <sebastian> we should rename "object properties" to "definitions"
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15:30:42 <sebastian> subtopic: #1658
15:30:47 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1658
15:30:57 <sebastian> decided to merge
15:35:03 <McCool_> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Html-bidi-isolation
15:36:26 <sebastian> subtopic: #1659
15:36:32 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1659
15:36:36 <sebastian> decided to merge
15:37:50 <sebastian> subtopic: #1660
15:37:55 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1660/files
15:38:25 <sebastian> Ege: this makes the definition of uriVariables more clear. It has now more text
15:40:07 <sebastian> decided to merge
15:46:09 <sebastian> subtopic: #1661
15:46:15 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1661
15:47:32 <sebastian> decided to merge
15:48:37 <sebastian> subtopic: #1558
15:48:50 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1558
15:58:53 <sebastian> MM: for security we need another iteration
16:06:41 <kaz> q+
16:08:59 <kaz> q-
16:10:09 <kaz> q+
16:21:02 <sebastian> proposal: group decided to start the call for review of the latest TD 1.1. editor draft which is seen as potential CR transition
16:21:20 <sebastian> resolution: group decided to start the call for review of the latest TD 1.1. editor draft which is seen as potential CR transition
16:22:54 <kaz> [adjourned]
16:22:58 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:23:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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