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12:04:13 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:04:45 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
12:05:10 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally
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12:08:04 <kaz> topic: Profile discussion - continued from the Profile call
12:08:24 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
12:09:13 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/contributions/2022-08-10-Wot-Profile-Next-Steps.pdf
12:09:18 <kaz> s/pdf/pdf Lagally's slides/
12:09:40 <kaz> ml: (explains the slides on the high-level structure of the WoT Profile spec)
12:09:54 <kaz> ... [HTTP Baseline + Common Constraints]
12:10:10 <kaz> ... [Webhook +SSE Events]
12:10:15 <kaz> ... [Alternatives]
12:10:35 <McCool_> q+
12:10:35 <kaz> ... possible options for the net steps
12:10:55 <kaz> [[
12:10:55 <kaz> A. Dont' publish Profile REC within this Charter, defer to nxt Charter
12:10:57 <kaz> B. Publish the Profifil as a WG Note in this Charter period
12:10:59 <kaz> C. Publish the Profile 1.0 as a REC ,make event mechanisms non-norative
12:11:01 <kaz> D. Publish Profile 1.0 as a REC with "HTTP Baseline" only
12:11:03 <kaz> ]]
12:11:05 <kaz> ml: event handling is still tbd
12:11:41 <kaz> ... Option C suggests make it normative in Profile 1.1 after sufficient plugfests
12:12:12 <kaz> s/make it/publishing event mechanism non-normative in Profile 1.0/
12:12:38 <kaz> ... Option D suggests publishing Profile 1.0 only with "HTTP Baseline"
12:13:09 <kaz> ... Option A suggests not publishing Profile as a REC within this Charter period
12:13:11 <McCool_> q?
12:13:28 <dape> q+
12:13:32 <kaz> mm: Ben was in favor of option A here
12:13:34 <kaz> ack m
12:13:43 <kaz> ... a compromise is take option C or D
12:13:55 <kaz> ... publish it in early stage in the next Charter
12:14:04 <kaz> ... we simply carry it forward
12:14:15 <kaz> ... 2 deliverables here, 1.0 and 1.1
12:14:26 <kaz> ... 1.0 just with HTTP Baseline
12:14:46 <kaz> ... can't wait until everything is done
12:15:03 <kaz> ml: tx for your proposal
12:15:07 <Ege> q+
12:15:17 <kaz> ... however, would like to go for option C or D
12:15:47 <kaz> ... we now have good momentum
12:16:05 <kaz> ... and would like to continue to use it
12:16:16 <kaz> q?
12:16:33 <kaz> q+
12:16:45 <kaz> dp: no strong opinion
12:16:59 <kaz> ... but going forward to REC requires two implementations
12:17:09 <kaz> ... possible Oracle and WebThing
12:17:18 <kaz> ... but not really sure at the moment
12:17:48 <kaz> ... Scripting API doesn't have enough support for WoT Profile yet
12:18:05 <kaz> mm: Actions is on the border line now
12:18:32 <kaz> ml: not Actions in general but just sync/async Actions
12:19:15 <kaz> dp: even Actions still in flight from my viewpoint
12:19:40 <kaz> s/even/Events to be postponed, and even/
12:20:06 <McCool_> q?
12:20:09 <McCool_> ack d
12:20:13 <kaz> ml: why don't you join the Profile call and join the discussion on the remaining difficulties?
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12:20:31 <kaz> ... would try to meet all the requirements of the whole WG
12:21:01 <kaz> ... would go for option D when we're confident
12:21:13 <kaz> ek: would agree with Ben for option A here
12:21:51 <sebastian> q?
12:22:19 <kaz> ... don't like 1.1 specs due to potential backward compatibility issues
12:22:21 <kaz> ack e
12:22:40 <McCool_> ack k
12:24:02 <kaz> kaz: we should clarify all the remaining issues, e.g., those mentioned during this call, and register them to the wot-profile repository
12:24:21 <kaz> ... and discuss the details during the Profile call rather than this call today
12:24:27 <kaz> ml: ok
12:24:38 <kaz> ... on the other hand, kind of concerned about the procedure
12:24:55 <kaz> ... wondering about when/how to close the discussion
12:25:12 <kaz> mm: would like to check if we have the Profile call next week
12:25:20 <kaz> ml: no Profile call next Tuesday
12:25:37 <Ege> q+
12:25:39 <kaz> s/Tuesday/Wednesday, August 17/
12:25:42 <kaz> ack k
12:26:06 <kaz> ack e
12:27:12 <kaz> (so the next Profile call will be on August 24)
12:27:45 <kaz> topic: WoT F2F meeting around TPAC 2022
12:28:02 <kaz> mm: how to organize the Pre-Meeting?
12:28:23 <kaz> q+
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12:28:58 <kaz> ... do we want to have 2h meetings over five days as usual?
12:29:02 <kaz> (no objections)
12:29:09 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:29:23 <kaz> mm: think we need enough time for discussion
12:29:24 <kaz> kaz: +1
12:29:36 <kaz> mm: Kaz and I will work on the logistics then
12:29:55 <kaz> ... we need to cancel all the other (ordinary) meetings
12:30:06 <kaz> ... during the pre-meeting on Sep 5-9
12:30:14 <kaz> topic: TPAC f2f
12:30:22 <kaz> mm: TPAC agenda next
12:30:42 <kaz> ... given the pre-meeting, would be good to have just summary during TPAC on Monday
12:31:01 <kaz> ... about Deliverables and new Charter
12:31:05 <kaz> ack k
12:31:38 <kaz> ... generated deliverable proposals area
12:32:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/proposals/deliverable-proposals Deliverable proposals for the next WoT WG Charter
12:32:18 <kaz> mm: also discussion issue available
12:32:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978 Discussion issue
12:32:38 <kaz> mm: regarding the joint meetings
12:32:52 <Ege> q+
12:33:11 <kaz> ... Automotive, DID/VC are confirmed
12:33:23 <kaz> ... need to get registered
12:33:31 <kaz> ... note the early-bird rate is over
12:33:54 <kaz> ek: will participate remotely in the end
12:34:10 <kaz> kaz: please edit the f2f wiki directly
12:34:12 <kaz> ek: ok
12:34:32 <kaz> mm: we'll have the reports from the WoT CG and the WoT-JP CG as well
12:34:36 <kaz> ... anything else?
12:34:38 <kaz> (none)
12:34:42 <kaz> topic: Publication
12:34:55 <kaz> mm: TD was published on August 3
12:35:04 <kaz> ... Discovery was also published today
12:35:29 <kaz> ... CR transition expected around August 31
12:35:47 <kaz> i|TD was|-> https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-wot-thing-description11-20220803/ TD|
12:36:20 <kaz> i|TD was|-> https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-wot-discovery-20220810/ Discovery|
12:36:46 <kaz> mm: we'll discuss the CR publication during the Pre-TPAC meeting
12:37:01 <kaz> ... can think about the latest ED as the CR candidates
12:37:28 <kaz> q+
12:37:30 <kaz> ack e
12:37:57 <kaz> s/ED/WD/
12:38:14 <kaz> kaz: maybe there are some recent updates after the published WD
12:38:24 <kaz> mm: would expect the recent updates are minor
12:39:04 <kaz> ... but the latest ED might be better
12:39:17 <kaz> ... (generates proposal for resolution)
12:39:37 <McCool_> proposal: consider the current ED for Discovery and Thing Description and start a two-week review today, aiming at a resolution on CR Transition for both during the week of 5-9 Sept (TPAC pre-meeting)
12:40:00 <kaz> mm: objections?
12:40:02 <kaz> (none)
12:40:04 <McCool_> resolution: consider the current ED for Discovery and Thing Description and start a two-week review today, aiming at a resolution on CR Transition for both during the week of 5-9 Sept (TPAC pre-meeting)
12:40:44 <kaz> mm: PR transition expected around December
12:40:48 <kaz> topic: Testing
12:41:02 <kaz> mm: approved the minutes from the Testfest
12:41:55 <kaz> ... am working hard to keep the latest implementations on the specs' repositories (on the main branch)
12:42:12 <kaz> ... TD has 37 unimplemented features
12:42:40 <kaz> ... 15 features with only one implementation
12:42:49 <kaz> ... will grab these numbers
12:43:04 <kaz> ... and put them on the agenda
12:43:20 <kaz> ... related issue on i18n
12:43:34 <kaz> ... features around Discovery are still at-risk
12:43:59 <kaz> ... still in-flight is Architecture
12:44:11 <kaz> ... some of the assertions are not testable as pointed out by TAG
12:44:31 <kaz> ... the rest are straightforward
12:45:03 <kaz> ... unfortunately, security call will be cancelled next Monday
12:45:09 <kaz> ... but will work on the remaining issues
12:45:24 <kaz> ... to make the assertion validatable
12:45:32 <kaz> ... Profile still need more work
12:46:05 <kaz> ... the implementation reports look good now
12:46:17 <kaz> ... but still some remaining issues there
12:46:41 <kaz> ... new stuff about language, etc.
12:46:47 <kaz> topic: Liaisons
12:47:14 <kaz> sk: Doodle poll for the OPC UA liaison meeting has been extended with the candidates in September
12:47:18 <kaz> ... please respond
12:48:14 <kaz> mm: should prioritize some of the key people
12:48:17 <kaz> sk: right
12:48:57 <kaz> mm: tech discussion issue still available
12:49:13 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1020 PR 1020 for discussion
12:49:21 <kaz> subtopic: DTDL
12:49:28 <kaz> mm: still waiting response from Erich
12:49:31 <kaz> topic: WOT CG
12:49:39 <kaz> mm: CG Charter review done?
12:49:44 <kaz> ek: yes
12:49:56 <kaz> ... Cristiano is talking with the CG manager
12:49:57 <kaz> q+
12:50:23 <kaz> ack k
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12:50:55 <kaz> topic: Ongoing actions
12:51:21 <kaz> mm: don't see remaining issues except the TAG review
12:52:09 <kaz> ... still need to work on Accessibility for Architecture and Profile
12:52:48 <kaz> s/still/but still/
12:53:01 <kaz> s/WOT/WoT/
12:53:18 <kaz> i/Doodle/subtopic: OPC-UA/
12:53:23 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:53:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:53:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:54:38 <kaz> topic: WoT-JP CG
12:55:00 <kaz> kaz: they're working on a WoT promotion event for publishing industry
12:55:11 <kaz> ... should include topics on digital twin and metaverse as well
12:55:31 <kaz> mm: wondering about the expected reports during TPAC
12:55:48 <kaz> topic: TF reports
12:55:57 <kaz> q+
12:56:02 <kaz> subtopic: TD
12:56:12 <kaz> sk: would address as much issues as possible
12:56:13 <Ege> q+
12:56:33 <kaz> s/issues/issues and PRs/
12:57:01 <kaz> ... wondering if it's ok to start the official review phase
12:57:24 <kaz> mm: we've already made a resolution
12:57:34 <kaz> ... and it meant the ED the end of today :)
12:57:39 <kaz> subtopic: Marketing
12:57:48 <kaz> ek: JSON Schema case study
12:58:01 <kaz> ... whether it needs serious review or not
12:58:08 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/329
12:58:09 <kaz> ... if people are interested would get reviews
12:58:22 <kaz> ... generated a GitHub issue for that purpose
12:58:41 <Ege> https://deploy-preview-336--wot-marketing.netlify.app/about/history/
12:59:14 <kaz> ... you can get rendered results by accessing the netlify page above
12:59:30 <kaz> mm: what about Munich f2f and second workshop?
12:59:35 <kaz> ... should mention that
13:00:03 <kaz> i/https/ek: also working the history page/
13:00:09 <kaz> q-
13:00:56 <kaz> [main call adjourned; test call in 10mins on the same WebEx but different IRC channel (=#wot-pf)]
13:00:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
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