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13:52:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:52:02 <trackbot> Date: 10 August 2022
13:52:50 <Matthew_Atkinson> Chair:  Matthew
13:52:53 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:52:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:52:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:53:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:53:03 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:53:05 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ CSS Color Level 5 review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0002.html
13:53:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ WCAG 2.2 CR review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0005.html
13:53:16 <Matthew_Atkinson> zakim, clear the agenda
13:53:16 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:53:21 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:53:23 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:53:26 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:53:28 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:53:30 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:53:33 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ CSS Color Level 5 review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0002.html
13:53:35 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ WCAG 2.2 CR review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0005.html
13:53:38 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:53:41 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:53:43 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ TPAC22 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2022
13:53:45 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ Other Business
13:53:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> agenda+ be done
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14:00:08 <niklasegger> present+
14:00:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
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14:00:43 <Fazio> Present+
14:01:00 <becky> present+
14:01:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
14:01:50 <Roy> present+
14:03:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:03:04 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:03:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Maturity model FPWD CfC - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2022Aug/0001.html
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14:03:39 <Fredrik> present+
14:03:46 <nadine> present+
14:03:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> Maturity Model CfC is out! Please have a look and cast your vote, you have until end of week.
14:04:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 to looking at the maturity model.
14:05:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Feel free to file comments, you can flag those comments as not blocking FPWD
14:05:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> .. or not
14:05:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Janina: If you have a blocker to First Public Working Draft, vote -1 on the CfC
14:05:58 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Review draft new AGWG Charter - https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/charter-2022/charter.html
14:06:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: They are soliciting feedback. It defines what's in and out of scope for AGWG and other deliverables including group liaisons
14:07:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... please look and provide feedback.
14:07:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Deadline two weeks from today. APA will then report back its comments.
14:07:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Janina's consulting work
14:08:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I was requested by management to make clear to everyone here in APA
14:08:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... having met Lionel on the Adapt call and on this call
14:12:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... have entered into a consulting contract with UserWay
14:13:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... which started out at very few hours a month, and is now up to less than half a day a week
14:13:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... because overlays have been found to be controversial, and UserWay has an overlay product as part of its business
14:13:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... important to be fair, impartial and inclusive
14:14:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I personally interpret inclusiveness as also allowing companies that might be controversial to participate
14:14:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there is now a community group
14:14:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... hopefully to be announced at a TPAC breakout group
14:14:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... to document what kind of things overlays do
14:14:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... both what they do poorly and what they do very well
14:14:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> q?
14:15:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:15:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... looking at accessibility on the edge
14:15:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in our regular discussions we discuss many topics
14:15:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... for example I have advocated that UserWay consider implementing the Maturity Model
14:16:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> niklasegger: I would like to participate in these discussions on overlays, but will not be attending TPAC
14:16:08 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:17:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Zoom participation will be available for those who can participate via zoom, and a recording will be available
14:17:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: And everyone is welcome to join the accessibility at the edge community group
14:19:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: UserWay is really trying to involve people in these conversations, and the community group is a good vehicle for that
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14:19:43 <mike_beganyi> present+
14:19:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... as they are very transparent, in the meetings as well as the minutes
14:20:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> subtopic: Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct - https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/
14:20:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: This is the quarterly reminder of one of W3C's most important documents, the Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct
14:21:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and an associated community group
14:21:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... it is there to resolve problems
14:21:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... escalare any problem to the chairs, the community group
14:22:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ...
14:22:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/escalare/escalate
14:22:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:22:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:23:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:23:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:23:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:23:13 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:23:14 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:23:14 <Zakim> 3. A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:23:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:23:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:23:46 <janina> present+
14:23:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:23:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:23:49 <Matthew_Atkinson> presetn+
14:23:51 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:23:51 <Zakim> 4. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:23:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:23:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:23:52 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:24:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
14:24:08 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:24:10 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:24:10 <Zakim> 5. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:24:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:24:12 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:27:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:27:18 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- CSS Color Level 5 review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0002.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:28:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/Zoom participation will be available/Zoom participation is be available
14:29:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: The bulk of our suggestions regard the use of color in the presentation of this document
14:30:07 <janina> q?
14:36:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> David: We would like to pay attention to possible trigger words in the color palette
14:37:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... trigger words for mental health accessibility
14:38:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/mental health/health
14:38:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent make minutes
14:38:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:38:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:39:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/please look and provide feedback/please look and provide feedback this week
14:39:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:39:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:42:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: (Walked through and discussed the details of his comment with APA)
14:42:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I find this should be an APA comment
14:45:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> RESOLUTION: APA will run a CfC to make Matthew_Atkinson's CSS comments (with proposed revisions) an APA comment
14:45:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:45:23 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- WCAG 2.2 CR review - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0005.html -- taken up [from Matthew_Atkinson]
14:45:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:45:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:45:35 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2022Aug/0005.html
14:47:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: This comment seems unrealistic and makes WCAG look like it does not know what is going on the world
14:47:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the issue, https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305
14:48:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
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14:48:39 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:50:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: To be clear, I am speaking as an invited expert to W3C (and not as an advisor to UserWay)
14:50:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... though it did come up in conversations with Lionel
14:50:51 <Matthew_Atkinson> The issue is with the "Sometimes" that starts §5.4: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#conformance-partial
14:51:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:51:00 <Matthew_Atkinson> ack me
14:51:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: we are looking at this, https://www.w3.org/TR/accessibility-conformance-challenges/#Challenge-2
14:53:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: Does anyone have an objection to the word 'sometimes' in that paragraph?
14:54:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... I heard objections
14:54:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We agreed that 'sometimes' is not acceptable to APA
14:54:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... janina suggests increasingly, but the exponential curve was objected to
14:54:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... others suggested, 'many'
14:55:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: we can discuss it over the next week, and this is an issue we want to resolve
14:55:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: Propose, avoid the adjective and just start with 'later web pages...'
14:55:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/Propose/I propose
14:55:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
14:57:05 <Matthew_Atkinson> s/Propose, avoid/As proposed at the end of the comment, avoid/
14:57:13 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent make minutes
14:57:19 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:57:47 <Matthew_Atkinson> Note: latest comment at time of meeting: https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2305#issuecomment-1209655125
14:57:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Matthew_Atkinson
14:59:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/https:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/accessibility-conformance-challenges\/#Challenge-2\/[link]
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14:59:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
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16:14:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/consider implementing/get more involved with/
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16:14:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/10-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
16:19:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> s/the Maturity Model/other APA projects
16:19:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:50:59 <MichaelC> s/advocated/suggested/
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