IRC log of wot on 2022-08-03

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12:11:57 [dape]

... please note: everyone needs to rejoin the WG

12:12:31 [dape]

MMC: you need to ask AC rep

12:12:38 [kaz]

q?

12:13:01 [kaz]

q+ mlagally

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12:13:26 [dape]

ML: I was implementing a PR and noticed issues with Github

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... e.g., creating branches and such does not work

12:14:06 [sebastian]

q?

12:14:07 [dape]

q?

12:14:09 [kaz]

ack m

12:14:41 [dape]

SK: w.r.t. cancellation.. I am not aware of any cancellations

12:14:50 [dape]

MMC: many people go on vacation

12:14:57 [kaz]

i/please note/scribenick: dape/

12:14:59 [dape]

... shall we cancel calls over the next weeks

12:15:12 [dape]

... for example SK is not available the next weeks

12:15:16 [mlagally]

q+

12:15:17 [kaz]

i/please note/SK: WG charter extension has been approved/

12:15:23 [dape]

... I suggest to keep the calls

12:15:34 [kaz]

i/please note/TOPIC: Quick updates/

12:15:42 [dape]

SK: Right, I am not available next week ... but back the week after

12:15:51 [kaz]

i/please note/--> none -> minutes approved/

12:16:01 [dape]

... starting from 22 of August I am on vacation

12:16:06 [kaz]

i/please note/SK: Minutes good to me. Any objections to make minutes public?/

12:16:09 [dape]

MMC: Should check next week again

12:16:20 [kaz]

i/please note/<Sebastian walks over previous minutes>/

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ML: We decided to make profile/arch next week..

12:16:35 [kaz]

i/please note/present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tomoaki_Mizushima/

12:16:38 [dezell]

present+ David_Ezell

12:16:44 [dape]

... however, I am not available next weeks

12:16:54 [dape]

... I assume we should cancel all Arch calls in August

12:17:02 [kaz]

i|please note|-> July-27 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/07/27-wot-minutes.html|

12:17:15 [kaz]

i|please note|TOPIC: Minutes|

12:17:28 [dape]

MMC: w.r.t. discovery and security we will discuss in the task force next week

12:17:31 [kaz]

i|please note|Kaz: working on request from Elodie Thieblin's IE application|

12:17:47 [kaz]

i|please note|TOPIC: New IE request|

12:17:52 [kaz]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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12:18:04 [dape]

DP: scripting also skips 2 calls in August

12:18:12 [dape]

MMC: please update wiki section

12:18:34 [dape]

SK: What about pre-TPAC PlugFest in Aug 29 - Sept 2

12:18:44 [dape]

MMC: Right, might be difficult

12:18:54 [dape]

... maybe post TPAC PlugFest

12:20:39 [dape]

<Sebastian cleaning up cancellation section on wiki page>

12:21:24 [dape]

MMC: lets postpone use-case call after TPAC

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... same for DTDL

12:21:37 [kaz]

q+

12:21:43 [dape]

ML: use-case call during TPAC?

12:21:51 [kaz]

ack ml

12:21:52 [dape]

MMC: 4 hours total...

12:22:04 [dape]

... one day full of joined calls

12:22:22 [dape]

ML: Other groups to talk to...

12:22:32 [dape]

... eg. Automotive

12:22:37 [kaz]

q-

12:22:46 [dape]

MMC: Yes, let's discuss this in TPAC slot

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q+

12:23:47 [dape]

ack dape

12:24:09 [dape]

MMC: please send email about cancellations to me

12:24:19 [dape]

TOPIC: TPAC 2022

12:24:31 [dape]

-> TPAC 2022 WoT wiki -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2022

12:24:41 [dape]

SK: Note: early bird registration ends end of the week

12:24:49 [kaz]

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:25:07 [dape]

SK: Joined meetings planned

12:25:28 [kaz]

meeting: WoT-IG/WG

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chair: Sebastian/McCool

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12:25:38 [dape]

MMC: spatial data on the web.. not meeting

12:25:47 [dape]

... decided to do that after TPAC

12:25:58 [kaz]

present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, David_Ezell

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SK: DID?

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present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda

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MMC: Manu Sporny will join us

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... new stuff about signature etc

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... can discuss with them

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SK: JSON-LD

12:26:49 [dape]

... talked to Kellog

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... focus is YAML

12:27:01 [kaz]

i/WG charter ex/scribenick: kaz

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12:27:50 [dape]

... I don't seen any urgent topic

12:28:00 [kaz]

q+

12:28:06 [kaz]

s/seen/see/

12:28:10 [dape]

SK: suggest not having a meeting

12:28:13 [dape]

MMC: YAML should be in our next charter

12:28:31 [dape]

... we have assertions with alternative content encoding

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... e.g. test gzipped JSON

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12:29:02 [dezell]

q+

12:29:14 [McCool]

q+

12:29:17 [dape]

Kaz: wondering whether meeting JSON-LD should take place

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... e.g., syntax issues et cetera

12:29:44 [kaz]

ack k

12:29:45 [dape]

SK: At the moment no real issue that comes to my mind

12:30:00 [dape]

... at the moment we are happy

12:30:18 [dape]

... signature and canonicalization is done linked data group

12:30:39 [dape]

DE: at Connexion we use YAML extensively

12:30:56 [dape]

... things YAML can do.. that JSON can do

12:31:02 [dape]

... but easy to stay away from it

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MMC: corner cases in YAML that need to be resolved

12:31:39 [dape]

... validation still bugs me

12:31:47 [kaz]

s/whether meeting JSON-LD should take place/if there is really nothing to be discussed with the JSON-LD WG. Don't we have any remaining issues about how to deal with IDs and versions, reference for external resources, etc.?

12:31:52 [dape]

... validating TD

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SK: SHACL validator ?

12:32:01 [kaz]

s/... e.g., syntax issues et cetera//

12:32:13 [mjk]

q?

12:32:18 [dape]

MMC: I mean properly ... validating an extension

12:32:31 [dape]

SK: not sure if this a topic of JSON-LD wg

12:32:35 [dape]

ack dezell

12:32:39 [dape]

ack McCool

12:33:00 [dezell]

q+

12:33:05 [dape]

SK: Suggest we wait for the YAML outcome from JSON-LD wg

12:33:16 [dape]

... I like having comments in YAML

12:33:44 [dape]

SK: IF we want to have a meeting with JSON-LD... please contact me

12:33:51 [mjk]

+1 for YAML serialization. It is becoming the more preferred format

12:34:01 [dezell]

q-

12:34:01 [dape]

... at the moment I don't think this is urgent at the moment

12:34:04 [dezell]

+1

12:34:27 [kaz]

i/please note:/scribenick: dape/

12:34:29 [kaz]

q+

12:34:32 [dape]

SK: Suggest to talk with Automotive

12:34:52 [kaz]

ack k

12:35:02 [mjk]

We are also working to formalize how extensions work in SDF, possibly with extension schemas

12:35:10 [dape]

Kaz: one of the expected topics is vehicle ontology

12:35:26 [dape]

MMC: Suggest to look at schedule

12:35:41 [dape]

... can have one more joint call?

12:35:47 [dape]

... APA?

12:36:17 [dape]

SK: I think it is already tight

12:36:56 [dape]

... using breakout time?

12:37:03 [dape]

MMC: breakout is demo time

12:37:20 [kaz]

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12:37:36 [dape]

SK: We can ask APA for availability

12:37:51 [dape]

MMC: Yes, let's do that

12:38:04 [dape]

... we can squeeze the slots a bit

12:38:28 [dape]

MMC: ask both, SDW and APA?

12:38:39 [kaz]

q+

12:39:06 [dape]

... first day .. talking about new charter

12:39:14 [dape]

... second day.. having a proposal

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Kaz: meetings 1 week before TPAC

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... could use that time as well

12:40:13 [dape]

MMC: Pre-TPAC meetings

12:40:25 [dape]

... we should get it organized

12:40:44 [kaz]

s/meetings 1 week/I thought we were planning to have another dedicated 1-week meeting/

12:40:50 [dape]

... who can make it?

12:40:56 [dape]

SK: will be on vacation

12:41:12 [dape]

MMC: issue: first week of school

12:41:21 [dape]

... maybe do it after TPAC?

12:41:43 [kaz]

ack k

12:41:46 [kaz]

q+

12:41:46 [dape]

SK: sounds good

12:42:32 [dape]

Kaz: We should use main call slot for initial charter discussion

12:42:47 [dape]

MMC: Yes, suggest to have all main calls in August

12:42:58 [dape]

... so that we are better prepared

12:43:15 [dape]

Kaz: Continue discussion after TPAC is nice

12:43:49 [dape]

MMC: Monday Sep 12 ... initial discussions

12:44:25 [dape]

... on Monday.. we should look at deliverables and their status

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... CG relations et cetera

12:44:53 [dape]

Kaz: initial discussion summarizing current status

12:45:02 [dape]

MMC: I will work on Monday schedule

12:45:19 [dape]

Kaz: w.r.t. OpenDay slot

12:45:29 [dape]

... remove the slot during TPAC?

12:45:42 [dape]

... move it to post TPAC

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MMC: let's schedule OpenDay separately

12:46:13 [kaz]

q?

12:46:14 [kaz]

ack k

12:46:30 [dape]

MMC: will contact SDW and APA

12:46:46 [dape]

... and squeeze them in if available

12:47:01 [dape]

TOPIC: Publications

12:47:10 [dape]

SUBTOPIC: ThingDescription

12:47:17 [kaz]

s/ThingD/Thing D/

12:47:21 [sebastian]

https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-wot-thing-description11-20220803/

12:47:25 [dape]

SK: TD1.1 WD4 has been released

12:47:29 [kaz]

s/https/-> https/

12:47:41 [kaz]

s|03/|03/ TD 11 WD4|

12:47:45 [dape]

... will be last WD before going to CR

12:48:00 [kaz]

q+

12:48:37 [kaz]

ack k

12:49:24 [dape]

SUBTOPIC: Wide Review action item

12:49:35 [dape]

SK: feedback from TAG

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... https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Wide_Review

12:49:46 [kaz]

i/SUBTOPIC:/kaz: sorry but there was some confusion about the publication procedure, and would like to improve it next time./

12:49:53 [kaz]

i/sorry but/scribenick: kaz/

12:49:55 [dape]

... no feedback with discovery yet

12:50:04 [kaz]

i/feedback/scribenick: dape/

12:50:15 [dape]

MMC: noticed 2 internationalization issues

12:50:33 [dape]

... expect those 2 it looks good

12:50:50 [dape]

SK: security/privacy ?

12:50:58 [dape]

MMC: will talk to APA

12:51:49 [dape]

SK: Summary: most relevant feedback is TAG review

12:52:02 [dape]

... should look into it in Arch call

12:52:15 [dape]

ML: We received couple of things

12:53:08 [dape]

MMC: TAG issues apply to discovery and TD as well

12:53:37 [dape]

... problem .. untestable assertions

12:54:23 [dape]

SK: Update - publication process w.r.t. discovery

12:54:40 [dape]

MMC: ready.. wait till Kaz finds the time..

12:54:48 [dape]

Kaz: Working on it

12:54:55 [dape]

TOPIC: Testing

12:55:02 [dape]

SK: TD testing look good

12:55:19 [dape]

... still some issues left ... can be solved in CR phase

12:55:31 [dape]

MMC: in general TD and discovery are in good shape

12:55:40 [dape]

... should work on security issues

12:55:49 [dape]

... suggest not rush in CR

12:55:58 [dape]

... fixing in CR is more problematic

12:56:12 [dape]

... manual assertions need more work

12:56:20 [dape]

... Architectire need more work

12:56:29 [dape]

s/Architectire/Architecture

12:56:38 [dape]

TOPIC: Review Charter Extensions and Renewal

12:56:46 [dape]

SK: Charter extension ongoing

12:56:47 [Ege_]

q+ for AOB

12:57:06 [dape]

... will discuss this at TPAC as well

12:57:18 [dape]

MMC: Suggest to have MD file for each feature

12:57:27 [dape]

... added template

12:57:52 [sebastian]

https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978

12:58:12 [dape]

TOPIC: Liaisons

12:58:36 [dape]

SK: active planning w.r.t. OPC UA

12:58:52 [dape]

... doodle still open, https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bk53MnYe

12:59:20 [dape]

... next week we miss Erich and M-Lagally

12:59:38 [dape]

... we plan to extend doodle poll with additional options

13:00:03 [dape]

... I hope we can find slot in September

13:00:39 [dape]

... suggest to have a small meeting before that.. w.r.t. business discussions

13:01:19 [dape]

TOPIC: WoT CG

13:01:20 [kaz]

q+

13:01:23 [kaz]

ack e

13:01:23 [Zakim]

Ege_, you wanted to discuss AOB

13:01:30 [dape]

EK: Kick-off meeting took place

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... charter review process ends next week

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... please provide feedback

13:02:02 [Ege_]

q+

13:02:34 [kaz]

ack k

13:02:41 [dape]

Kaz: technically CG can do anything on their own. Please clarify collaboration

13:03:08 [dape]

EK: BTW, 1 month ago we were approached by JSON Schema people

13:03:11 [Ege_]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/329

13:03:18 [Ege_]

https://hackmd.io/@egekorkan/json-schema-wot

13:03:19 [dape]

... about use case study

13:03:33 [dape]

... will be work from WG

13:03:39 [dape]

... please review

13:04:26 [dape]

... everyone can comment hackmd document

13:04:32 [kaz]

s|Please clarify collaboration|However, we need to clarify CG's dependency on the WoT IG/WG and also potential impact for the IG/WG Charters. So please clarify what to be done by which group.|

13:05:13 [dape]

TOPIC: TF Reports

13:05:25 [dape]

MMC: Security looked into TAG issues

13:06:10 [dape]

ML: Profile: send doodle poll, we try to give more time to work on it

13:06:41 [dape]

SK: TD takes place in 1 hour... plan CR transition

13:06:56 [dape]

ML: Can join first 30 minutes

13:07:05 [dape]

SK: Great

13:07:25 [dape]

EK: Farshid can join "required" discussion in 2nd hour

13:07:39 [dape]

[adjourned]

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