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12:11:57 <dape> ... please note: everyone needs to rejoin the WG
12:12:31 <dape> MMC: you need to ask AC rep
12:12:38 <kaz> q?
12:13:01 <kaz> q+ mlagally
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12:13:26 <dape> ML: I was implementing a PR and noticed issues with Github
12:13:40 <dape> ... e.g., creating branches and such does not work
12:14:06 <sebastian> q?
12:14:07 <dape> q?
12:14:09 <kaz> ack m
12:14:41 <dape> SK: w.r.t. cancellation.. I am not aware of any cancellations
12:14:50 <dape> MMC: many people go on vacation
12:14:57 <kaz> i/please note/scribenick: dape/
12:14:59 <dape> ... shall we cancel calls over the next weeks
12:15:12 <dape> ... for example SK is not available the next weeks
12:15:16 <mlagally> q+
12:15:17 <kaz> i/please note/SK: WG charter extension has been approved/
12:15:23 <dape> ... I suggest to keep  the calls
12:15:34 <kaz> i/please note/TOPIC: Quick updates/
12:15:42 <dape> SK: Right, I am not available next week ... but back the week after
12:15:51 <kaz> i/please note/--> none -> minutes approved/
12:16:01 <dape> ... starting from 22 of August I am on vacation
12:16:06 <kaz> i/please note/SK: Minutes good to me. Any objections to make minutes public?/
12:16:09 <dape> MMC: Should check next week again
12:16:20 <kaz> i/please note/<Sebastian walks over previous minutes>/
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12:16:31 <dape> ML: We decided to make profile/arch next week..
12:16:35 <kaz> i/please note/present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tomoaki_Mizushima/
12:16:38 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:16:44 <dape> ... however, I am not available next weeks
12:16:54 <dape> ... I assume we should cancel all Arch calls in August
12:17:02 <kaz> i|please note|-> July-27 -> https://www.w3.org/2022/07/27-wot-minutes.html|
12:17:15 <kaz> i|please note|TOPIC: Minutes|
12:17:28 <dape> MMC: w.r.t. discovery and security we will discuss in the task force next week
12:17:31 <kaz> i|please note|Kaz: working on request from Elodie Thieblin's IE application|
12:17:47 <kaz> i|please note|TOPIC: New IE request|
12:17:52 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:18:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:18:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:18:04 <dape> DP: scripting also skips 2 calls in August
12:18:12 <dape> MMC: please update wiki section
12:18:34 <dape> SK: What about pre-TPAC PlugFest in Aug 29 - Sept 2
12:18:44 <dape> MMC: Right, might be difficult
12:18:54 <dape> ... maybe post TPAC PlugFest
12:20:39 <dape> <Sebastian cleaning up cancellation section on wiki page>
12:21:24 <dape> MMC: lets postpone use-case call after TPAC
12:21:32 <dape> ... same for DTDL
12:21:37 <kaz> q+
12:21:43 <dape> ML: use-case call during TPAC?
12:21:51 <kaz> ack ml
12:21:52 <dape> MMC: 4 hours total...
12:22:04 <dape> ... one day full of joined calls
12:22:22 <dape> ML: Other groups to talk to...
12:22:32 <dape> ... eg. Automotive
12:22:37 <kaz> q-
12:22:46 <dape> MMC: Yes, let's discuss this in TPAC slot
12:23:24 <dape> q+
12:23:47 <dape> ack dape
12:24:09 <dape> MMC: please send email about cancellations to me
12:24:19 <dape> TOPIC: TPAC 2022
12:24:31 <dape> -> TPAC 2022 WoT wiki -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_September_2022
12:24:41 <dape> SK: Note: early bird registration ends end of the week
12:24:49 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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12:24:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:07 <dape> SK: Joined meetings planned
12:25:28 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:25:36 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
12:25:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:25:38 <dape> MMC: spatial data on the web.. not meeting
12:25:47 <dape> ... decided to do that after TPAC
12:25:58 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, David_Ezell
12:25:59 <dape> SK: DID?
12:26:05 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:26:10 <dape> MMC: Manu Sporny will join us
12:26:26 <dape> ... new stuff about signature etc
12:26:36 <dape> ... can discuss with them
12:26:40 <dape> SK: JSON-LD
12:26:49 <dape> ... talked to Kellog
12:26:58 <dape> ... focus is YAML
12:27:01 <kaz> i/WG charter ex/scribenick: kaz
12:27:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:27:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/08/03-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:50 <dape> ... I don't seen any urgent topic
12:28:00 <kaz> q+
12:28:06 <kaz> s/seen/see/
12:28:10 <dape> SK: suggest not having a meeting
12:28:13 <dape> MMC: YAML should be in our next charter
12:28:31 <dape> ... we have assertions with alternative content encoding
12:28:39 <dape> ... e.g. test gzipped JSON
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12:29:02 <dezell> q+
12:29:14 <McCool> q+
12:29:17 <dape> Kaz: wondering whether meeting JSON-LD should take place
12:29:28 <dape> ... e.g., syntax issues et cetera
12:29:44 <kaz> ack k
12:29:45 <dape> SK: At the moment no real issue that comes to my mind
12:30:00 <dape> ... at the moment we are happy
12:30:18 <dape> ... signature and canonicalization is done linked data group
12:30:39 <dape> DE: at Connexion we use YAML extensively
12:30:56 <dape> ... things YAML can do.. that JSON can do
12:31:02 <dape> ... but easy to stay away from it
12:31:33 <dape> MMC: corner cases in YAML that need to be resolved
12:31:39 <dape> ... validation still bugs me
12:31:47 <kaz> s/whether meeting JSON-LD should take place/if there is really nothing to be discussed with the JSON-LD WG. Don't we have any remaining issues about how to deal with IDs and versions, reference for external resources, etc.?
12:31:52 <dape> ... validating TD
12:31:59 <dape> SK: SHACL validator ?
12:32:01 <kaz> s/... e.g., syntax issues et cetera//
12:32:13 <mjk> q?
12:32:18 <dape> MMC: I mean properly ... validating an extension
12:32:31 <dape> SK: not sure if this a topic of JSON-LD wg
12:32:35 <dape> ack dezell
12:32:39 <dape> ack McCool
12:33:00 <dezell> q+
12:33:05 <dape> SK: Suggest we wait for the YAML outcome from JSON-LD wg
12:33:16 <dape> ... I like having comments in YAML
12:33:44 <dape> SK: IF we want to have a meeting with JSON-LD... please contact me
12:33:51 <mjk> +1 for YAML serialization. It is becoming the more preferred format
12:34:01 <dezell> q-
12:34:01 <dape> ... at the moment I don't think this is urgent at the moment
12:34:04 <dezell> +1
12:34:27 <kaz> i/please note:/scribenick: dape/
12:34:29 <kaz> q+
12:34:32 <dape> SK: Suggest to talk with Automotive
12:34:52 <kaz> ack k
12:35:02 <mjk> We are also working to formalize how extensions work in SDF, possibly with extension schemas
12:35:10 <dape> Kaz: one of the expected topics is vehicle ontology
12:35:26 <dape> MMC: Suggest to look at schedule
12:35:41 <dape> ... can have one more joint call?
12:35:47 <dape> ... APA?
12:36:17 <dape> SK: I think it is already tight
12:36:56 <dape> ... using breakout time?
12:37:03 <dape> MMC: breakout is demo time
12:37:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:37:36 <dape> SK: We can ask APA for availability
12:37:51 <dape> MMC: Yes, let's do that
12:38:04 <dape> ... we can squeeze the slots a bit
12:38:28 <dape> MMC: ask both, SDW and APA?
12:38:39 <kaz> q+
12:39:06 <dape> ... first day .. talking about new charter
12:39:14 <dape> ... second day.. having a proposal
12:39:47 <dape> Kaz: meetings 1 week before TPAC
12:39:54 <dape> ... could use that time as well
12:40:13 <dape> MMC: Pre-TPAC meetings
12:40:25 <dape> ... we should get it organized
12:40:44 <kaz> s/meetings 1 week/I thought we were planning to have another dedicated 1-week meeting/
12:40:50 <dape> ... who can make it?
12:40:56 <dape> SK: will be on vacation
12:41:12 <dape> MMC: issue: first week of school
12:41:21 <dape> ... maybe do it after TPAC?
12:41:43 <kaz> ack k
12:41:46 <kaz> q+
12:41:46 <dape> SK: sounds good
12:42:32 <dape> Kaz: We should use main call slot for initial charter discussion
12:42:47 <dape> MMC: Yes, suggest to have all main calls in August
12:42:58 <dape> ... so that we are better prepared
12:43:15 <dape> Kaz: Continue discussion after TPAC is nice
12:43:49 <dape> MMC: Monday Sep 12 ... initial discussions
12:44:25 <dape> ... on Monday.. we should look at deliverables and their status
12:44:34 <dape> ... CG relations et cetera
12:44:53 <dape> Kaz: initial discussion summarizing current status
12:45:02 <dape> MMC: I will work on Monday schedule
12:45:19 <dape> Kaz: w.r.t. OpenDay slot
12:45:29 <dape> ... remove the slot during TPAC?
12:45:42 <dape> ... move it to post TPAC
12:46:05 <dape> MMC: let's schedule OpenDay separately
12:46:13 <kaz> q?
12:46:14 <kaz> ack k
12:46:30 <dape> MMC: will contact SDW and APA
12:46:46 <dape> ... and squeeze them in if available
12:47:01 <dape> TOPIC: Publications
12:47:10 <dape> SUBTOPIC: ThingDescription
12:47:17 <kaz> s/ThingD/Thing D/
12:47:21 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-wot-thing-description11-20220803/
12:47:25 <dape> SK: TD1.1 WD4 has been released
12:47:29 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:47:41 <kaz> s|03/|03/ TD 11 WD4|
12:47:45 <dape> ... will be last WD before going to CR
12:48:00 <kaz> q+
12:48:37 <kaz> ack k
12:49:24 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Wide Review action item
12:49:35 <dape> SK: feedback from TAG
12:49:38 <dape> ... https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Wide_Review
12:49:46 <kaz> i/SUBTOPIC:/kaz: sorry but there was some confusion about the publication procedure, and would like to improve it next time./
12:49:53 <kaz> i/sorry but/scribenick: kaz/
12:49:55 <dape> ... no feedback with discovery yet
12:50:04 <kaz> i/feedback/scribenick: dape/
12:50:15 <dape> MMC: noticed 2 internationalization issues
12:50:33 <dape> ... expect those 2 it looks good
12:50:50 <dape> SK: security/privacy ?
12:50:58 <dape> MMC: will talk to APA
12:51:49 <dape> SK: Summary: most relevant feedback is TAG review
12:52:02 <dape> ... should look into it in Arch call
12:52:15 <dape> ML: We received couple of things
12:53:08 <dape> MMC: TAG issues apply to discovery and TD as well
12:53:37 <dape> ... problem .. untestable assertions
12:54:23 <dape> SK: Update - publication process w.r.t. discovery
12:54:40 <dape> MMC: ready.. wait till Kaz finds the time..
12:54:48 <dape> Kaz: Working on it
12:54:55 <dape> TOPIC: Testing
12:55:02 <dape> SK: TD testing look good
12:55:19 <dape> ... still some issues left ... can be solved in CR phase
12:55:31 <dape> MMC: in general TD and discovery are in good shape
12:55:40 <dape> ... should work on security issues
12:55:49 <dape> ... suggest not rush in CR
12:55:58 <dape> ... fixing in CR is more problematic
12:56:12 <dape> ... manual assertions need more work
12:56:20 <dape> ... Architectire need more work
12:56:29 <dape> s/Architectire/Architecture
12:56:38 <dape> TOPIC: Review Charter Extensions and Renewal
12:56:46 <dape> SK: Charter extension ongoing
12:56:47 <Ege_> q+ for AOB
12:57:06 <dape> ... will discuss this at TPAC as well
12:57:18 <dape> MMC: Suggest to have MD file for each feature
12:57:27 <dape> ... added template
12:57:52 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978
12:58:12 <dape> TOPIC: Liaisons
12:58:36 <dape> SK: active planning w.r.t. OPC UA
12:58:52 <dape> ... doodle still open, https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bk53MnYe
12:59:20 <dape> ... next week we miss Erich and M-Lagally
12:59:38 <dape> ... we plan to extend doodle poll with additional options
13:00:03 <dape> ... I hope we can find slot in September
13:00:39 <dape> ... suggest to have a small meeting before that.. w.r.t. business discussions
13:01:19 <dape> TOPIC: WoT CG
13:01:20 <kaz> q+
13:01:23 <kaz> ack e
13:01:23 <Zakim> Ege_, you wanted to discuss AOB
13:01:30 <dape> EK: Kick-off meeting took place
13:01:39 <dape> ... charter review process ends next week
13:01:45 <dape> ... please provide feedback
13:02:02 <Ege_> q+
13:02:34 <kaz> ack k
13:02:41 <dape> Kaz: technically CG can do anything on their own. Please clarify collaboration
13:03:08 <dape> EK: BTW, 1 month ago we were approached by JSON Schema people
13:03:11 <Ege_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/329
13:03:18 <Ege_> https://hackmd.io/@egekorkan/json-schema-wot
13:03:19 <dape> ... about use case study
13:03:33 <dape> ... will be work from WG
13:03:39 <dape> ... please review
13:04:26 <dape> ... everyone can comment hackmd document
13:04:32 <kaz> s|Please clarify collaboration|However, we need to clarify CG's dependency on the WoT IG/WG and also potential impact for the IG/WG Charters. So please clarify what to be done by which group.|
13:05:13 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
13:05:25 <dape> MMC: Security looked into TAG issues
13:06:10 <dape> ML: Profile: send doodle poll, we try to give more time to work on it
13:06:41 <dape> SK: TD takes place in 1 hour... plan CR transition
13:06:56 <dape> ML: Can join first 30 minutes
13:07:05 <dape> SK: Great
13:07:25 <dape> EK: Farshid can join "required" discussion in 2nd hour
13:07:39 <dape> [adjourned]
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