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10:02:11 <kaz> meeting: WoT Architecture
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10:02:39 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally, Kaz_Ashimura
10:02:43 <kaz> chair: Lagally
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10:06:08 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
10:07:08 <McCool> topic: minutes
10:07:24 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/2022/05/24-wot-arch-minutes.html
10:07:49 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
10:07:54 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
10:08:03 <kaz> s/html/html May-24/
10:09:15 <McCool> any objections to publishing?
10:09:29 <McCool> ml: hearing none, will publish
10:09:33 <McCool> topic: issues to close
10:09:46 <McCool> ml: two; duplicate assertions, and hubs
10:10:10 <McCool> ... issue 735, duplicate requirements
10:10:30 <McCool> ... two assertions say the same thing
10:11:30 <McCool> ... decided to leave it alone, one is a superset of the other
10:11:42 <McCool> ... will close
10:11:54 <McCool> ml: issue 724
10:12:01 <McCool> ... define and discuss hubs
10:12:11 <kaz> i/issue 735/subtopic: Issue 735/
10:12:34 <kaz> i|issue 735|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/735 Issue 735 - Duplicate Assertions on Protocol Bindings|
10:12:43 <kaz> i/issue 724/subtopic: Issue 724/
10:13:03 <McCool> mm: not super happy that I did not get around to this, but no time now, not a blocker
10:13:09 <McCool> ml: ok, let's close
10:13:16 <McCool> mm: we can deal with in the next round
10:13:19 <kaz> i|issue 724|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/724 Issue 724 - Define and discuss hubs|
10:13:27 <McCool> topic: publication blockers
10:13:57 <McCool> ml: issue 681, document consistency
10:14:43 <McCool> ... is a checklist, four items, one dealt with
10:14:56 <McCool> ... are three other related issues
10:15:27 <McCool> ... arch-bundling seems to also be dealt with
10:16:22 <McCool> ... arch-id-correlation seems to have been dealt with - assertion removed
10:16:36 <McCool> ... finally, section structure, assertions, and issues
10:16:37 <kaz> i/issue 681/subtopic: Issue 681/
10:17:10 <kaz> i|issue 681|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/681 Issue 681 - Review architecture document consistency|
10:18:04 <McCool> ml: ege re-opened, said many issues still open
10:18:05 <kaz> i|issue 646|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/646 related Issue 646 - [Index] Section structure, assertions, and issues|
10:18:59 <McCool> ... but seems that only one other open issue is linked
10:19:25 <McCool> ml: suggest closing this issue and asking for other individual issue to be opened
10:19:41 <McCool> mm: agree, these omnibus issues are difficult
10:20:46 <McCool> ml: let's look at arch-schema
10:21:33 <McCool> mm: btw directories are a counter-example where a detailed data schema for a response is not possible for query results
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10:22:31 <kaz> q+
10:22:42 <McCool> mm: however, it is a should, so exceptions are allowed
10:23:07 <kaz> ack k
10:24:08 <McCool> mm: think it is fine for architecture to define some general requirements
10:24:29 <McCool> ... but we have to watch out for contradictions
10:24:48 <McCool> kaz: I think it is fine to have general requirements in arch
10:25:03 <McCool> ml: agree, so let's close the issue and keep the assertion
10:25:39 <McCool> ml: issue 681
10:26:07 <McCool> ... seems all the sub-issues were dealt with, can close
10:26:33 <McCool> mm: and if there are any smaller sub-issues to deal with, let's open small issues, not the omnibus issue
10:26:48 <McCool> ml: issue 627
10:27:07 <McCool> ... non-normative, uses must, may, etc. in multiple places
10:28:34 <kaz> i|issue 681|subtopic: Issue 681|
10:29:02 <kaz> i|issue 681|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/681 Issue 681 - Review architecture document consistency|
10:29:11 <kaz> i|issue 627|subtopic: Issue 627|
10:30:13 <kaz> i|issue 627|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/627 Issue 627 - Chapter 10 uses non RFC assertions|
10:30:19 <kaz> rrsagent, mae log public
10:30:19 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'mae log public', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
10:30:23 <kaz> s/rrsagent, mae log public//
10:30:27 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
10:30:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:30:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:30:37 <McCool> mm: so most of this seems to be about the runtime, scripting API, etc. but this is a non-normative deliverable
10:30:38 <McCool> q?
10:30:54 <McCool> ml: suggest we leave this alone, not formal assertions
10:31:45 <McCool> mm: agree with leaving it alone
10:32:00 <McCool> ... especially since we might want to make this normative in the next version
10:32:18 <McCool> topic: normative changes
10:32:29 <McCool> ml: issue 689
10:32:58 <kaz> i|issue 689|subtopic: Issue 689|
10:32:59 <McCool> ... reordering sections, but needs more detail to be actionable
10:33:30 <kaz> i|issue 689|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/689 Issue 689 - Reorder chapters in Section 7|
10:33:49 <McCool> ml: will mark as nice-to-have, but will close
10:36:50 <McCool> ml: issue 676
10:36:59 <McCool> mm: thought this was done?
10:37:02 <McCool> ml: will close
10:37:02 <kaz> i|issue 676|subtopic: Issue 676|
10:37:52 <kaz> i|issue 676|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/676 Issue 676 - Move "orphaned" annex B.1 from "binding templates" to architecture|
10:37:55 <McCool> ml: issue 673
10:38:20 <McCool> mm: can close for now, if I notice anything in my next review I will bring it up
10:38:59 <kaz> i|issue 673|subtopic: Issue 673|
10:39:03 <McCool> ml: issue 617
10:39:10 <McCool> ... think this is done, will close
10:39:23 <McCool> mm: if there are any specific issues left they can be raised
10:39:29 <kaz> i|issue 673|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/673 Issue 673 - Review Discovery Spec, ensure consistency of architecture and discovery|
10:39:31 <McCool> ml: issue 608
10:39:43 <kaz> i|issue 617|subtopic: Issue 617|
10:40:19 <McCool> mm: WoT Protocol Bindings and Binding Templates
10:40:24 <kaz> i|issue 617|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/617 Issue 617 - Review Chapter 6.7 in relation to Binding Templates 4.1|
10:40:32 <kaz> i|issue 608|subtopic: Issue 608|
10:41:01 <kaz> i|issue 608|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/608 Issue 608 - Relationship between "8.7 Protocol Bindings" and "9.5 WoT Binding Templates"|
10:42:00 <McCool> ... I think Binding Templates is an implementation of the general requirement stated in Protocol Bindings
10:42:56 <McCool> mm: adding one sentence to relate the two
10:43:06 <McCool> ... would help make this clearer
10:43:29 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
10:43:29 <Zakim> Present: Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
10:43:40 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
10:44:08 <McCool> seb: so one issue is that protocol binding is more specific, just the protocol, not the data formats, etc.
10:44:37 <kaz> q+
10:45:20 <McCool> seb: issue was about understanding the relationship
10:45:27 <McCool> q+
10:45:44 <McCool> seb: should be about both the protocol and the serialization
10:46:04 <McCool> kaz: ok with any kind of definition as long as it is clear
10:46:23 <McCool> ... both protocols and media is find
10:46:49 <McCool> ... suggest changing "protocol binding" -> "binding" and clearer definitions
10:47:21 <McCool> seb: would just add an intro sentence to separate sections
10:49:39 <McCool> mm: I was going to suggest changing Protocol Binding to just Binding also...
10:49:50 <McCool> ml: although it is used in lot of places
10:50:18 <McCool> mm: I could live with just leaving it and just accepting that it includes more than just the protocol itself, but also the data
10:50:37 <McCool> ml: agree, let's do that
10:50:54 <McCool> ... sebastian has volunteered to work on this
10:51:21 <McCool> topic: by CR transition
10:52:20 <McCool> ml: issue 753, clean up TLS
10:52:37 <McCool> mm: still on me, want to mention specific version of TLS
10:52:39 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
10:52:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:52:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
10:52:44 <McCool> ... will try to get to it today
10:52:54 <McCool> ml: issue 684
10:53:10 <McCool> ... missing terminology defn for Trusted Environment
10:53:59 <kaz> i|issue 753|subtopic: Issue 753|
10:54:48 <kaz> i|issue 753|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/753 Issue 753 - Clean up new TLS S&P Considerations|
10:55:07 <kaz> i|issue 684|subtopic: Issue 684|
10:55:14 <McCool> ml: issue 684
10:55:30 <McCool> ... missing Discovery in list of deliverables
10:55:58 <kaz> i|issue 684|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/684 Issue 684 - Introduction misses WoT Discovery|
10:56:32 <McCool> ml: issue 706
10:56:37 <kaz> i|issue 706|subtopic: Issue 706|
10:56:50 <kaz> i|issue 706|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/706 Issue 706 - create terminology entry for "Trusted Environment"|
10:58:03 <McCool> mm: will also try to do soon, review in security call Monday
10:58:32 <McCool> topic: new issues
10:58:40 <kaz> q+
10:58:41 <McCool> ml: TD Server, will merge
10:58:53 <McCool> ml: editorial fixes, #779
11:00:22 <kaz> i|#779|subtopic: Issue PR 779|
11:00:30 <McCool> mm: would like to look at this first
11:00:52 <kaz> i|#779|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/779 PR 779 - Editorial fixes|
11:00:52 <McCool> ml: ok, will keep open for now
11:01:55 <kaz> i/new issues/kaz: we're planning to have joint discussions with JSON-LD and DID during TPAC, so I think it would make sense to have some discussion about "Trusted Environment" there./
11:02:03 <kaz> i/new issues/mm: definitely/
11:02:13 <kaz> i/planning/scribenick: kaz/
11:02:26 <kaz> i/TD Ser/scribenick: McCool/
11:02:30 <kaz> [adjourned]
11:02:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:02:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/06/23-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz
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