IRC log of a11y-functional on 2022-06-21

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Meeting: Functional Needs

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TOPIC: PLanning

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MC: I was planning on drafting a project plan

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Josh and I did some brainstorming

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MC: Long term work is to get the as complete as we can

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As well as feedback from different communitities

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Could take a year or two to get that together

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I'd like to look at the matrix as 3 dimensions.

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Auth guidelines, user agent etc

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We would first look at authoring - collaborating with Silver

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The APA role etc, is important for FAST

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When it shows up where - that is something we need to methodical about

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We are ahead of the rest in thinking about how this could be used

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We need to shop it around

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It needs to be more complete or else others wont understand it

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We do have a complete column (Vision and visual)

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so that could be worth getting feedback on.

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MC: We could start shopping the matrix with AG

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Get feedback and then refine how we work.

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Another piece is the Framework itself

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Now we have the list of functional needs and user needs

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For it to be a viable TR, we need to fill that out so it makes sense to others

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MC: We need to circulate drafts of the FAST also

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JOC: Sounds good

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JA: In the short term we could fill in the paragraphs to explain.

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MC: Yeah

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Presentation on vision and visual to APA?

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We could learn a lot about what is working - then a revised presentation to AG

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JA: A colleague did a card form of sort of personas previously

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We could iterate this - vision and visual with some user needs.

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JOC: Sounds good Jake

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JA: This could help people get used to the idea

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JOC: +1 to this - using different tools to demonstrate the user need, requirements and the overall thinking - could be great

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JA: It worked out nicely - we have shown them to different people

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Easy to digest version of big matrix

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MC: I'd like to see an example

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Could be a useful part of a presenatation.

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MC: If people could see the cards they may find that useful

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This could help us to sell it etc

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JOC: Could you show us an example?

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JA: Not sure were they are - did show then to someone - and had an offer of help.

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JOC: Lets build our own

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If you had a sample from another project we could use that as a structure/form?

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Agreement to try the cards and presenation

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JOC: We should be able to get the cards together quick enough

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MC: We should be prepared to show how we walkthru

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MC: Is July realistic

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JA: I'm off at end of July - for 4 weeks

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We would need to do it before TPAC.

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JOC: Lets do it before the 11th of July

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JA: Some draft something before then

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+1

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JOC: Anything else?

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If not I suggest we make this our main focus.

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We should also talk about our deceptive patterns work with Todd as a part of APA presentation

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ACTION: Jake to create and share a sample of the persona for our presenation

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JA: What about our personas - and expanding it out.

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JOC: To be clear the second part it to update this

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http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#collected-user-needs

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We are looking at describing the user needs hear with more detailed paras

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MC: We could need explanation of terms - what are controls, what is content?

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JOC: We will need to be clear about our definitions

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MC: Could be reword - etc several things could be collapsed

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Especially if they are defined terms

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JOC: Could work in the context of any emergent technology.

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MC: Its not a clear case - but we should work on removing that third level

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Does that make sense?

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I could work on that if we think its a good idea.

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JOC: My only concern would be for unknown knowns as such (emerging tech)

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MC: SOme things may not collapse - was what we doing really only a short hand?

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JA: Yeah

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MC: thats easy to place

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MC: I can do that as an edit - and we an go from there.

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JA: I can write some explanations

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ACTION: Michael to work on collapsing the abstraction - simplify

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