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13:00:25 <Joshue108> Meeting: Functional Needs
13:00:33 <Joshue108> present+
13:00:49 <Joshue108> scribe+
13:02:50 <Joshue108> TOPIC: PLanning
13:03:30 <Joshue108> MC: I was planning on drafting a project plan
13:03:39 <Joshue108> Josh and I did some brainstorming
13:04:11 <Joshue108> MC: Long term work is to get the as complete as we can
13:04:20 <Joshue108> As well as feedback from different communitities
13:04:31 <Joshue108> Could take a year or two to get that together
13:04:53 <Joshue108> I'd like to look at the matrix as 3 dimensions.
13:05:03 <Joshue108> Auth guidelines, user agent etc
13:05:19 <Joshue108> We would first look at authoring - collaborating with Silver
13:05:29 <Joshue108> The APA role etc, is important for FAST
13:05:48 <Joshue108> When it shows up where - that is something we need to methodical about
13:06:00 <Joshue108> We are ahead of the rest in thinking about how this could be used
13:06:04 <Joshue108> We need to shop it around
13:06:28 <Joshue108> It needs to be more complete or else others wont understand it
13:06:39 <Joshue108> We do have a complete column (Vision and visual)
13:06:48 <Joshue108> so that could be worth getting feedback on.
13:06:57 <Joshue108> MC: We could start shopping the matrix with AG
13:07:05 <Joshue108> Get feedback and then refine how we work.
13:07:15 <Joshue108> Another piece is the Framework itself
13:07:23 <Joshue108> Now we have the list of functional needs and user needs
13:07:41 <Joshue108> For it to be a viable TR, we need to fill that out so it makes sense to others
13:08:06 <Joshue108> MC: We need to circulate drafts of the FAST also
13:08:30 <Joshue108> JOC: Sounds good
13:08:46 <Joshue108> JA: In the short term we could fill in the paragraphs to explain.
13:08:48 <Joshue108> MC: Yeah
13:09:02 <Joshue108> Presentation on vision and visual to APA?
13:09:20 <Joshue108> We could learn a lot about what is working - then a revised presentation to AG
13:10:37 <Joshue108> JA: A colleague did a card form of sort of personas previously
13:10:51 <Joshue108> We could iterate this - vision and visual with some user needs.
13:11:00 <Joshue108> JOC: Sounds good Jake
13:11:32 <Joshue108> JA: This could help people get used to the idea
13:11:59 <Joshue108> JOC: +1 to this - using different tools to demonstrate the user need, requirements and the overall thinking - could be great
13:12:16 <Joshue108> JA:  It worked out nicely - we have shown them to different people
13:12:26 <Joshue108> Easy to digest version of big matrix
13:12:33 <Joshue108> MC: I'd like to see an example
13:12:58 <Joshue108> Could be a useful part of a presenatation.
13:13:00 <Joshue108> q+
13:13:25 <Joshue108> MC: If people could see the cards they may find that useful
13:13:36 <Joshue108> This could help us to sell it etc
13:14:05 <Joshue108> JOC: Could you show us an example?
13:14:25 <Joshue108> JA: Not sure were they are - did show then to someone - and had an offer of help.
13:14:59 <Joshue108> JOC: Lets build our own
13:15:18 <Joshue108> If you had a sample from another project we could use that as a structure/form?
13:16:46 <Joshue108> Agreement to try the cards and presenation
13:18:01 <Joshue108> JOC: We should be able to get the cards together quick enough
13:18:13 <Joshue108> MC: We should be prepared to show how we walkthru
13:18:28 <Joshue108> MC: Is July realistic
13:18:45 <Joshue108> JA: I'm off at end of July - for 4 weeks
13:19:00 <Joshue108> We would need to do it before TPAC.
13:19:52 <Joshue108> JOC: Lets do it before the 11th of July
13:20:23 <Joshue108> JA: Some draft something before then
13:20:24 <Joshue108> +1
13:21:16 <Joshue108> JOC: Anything else?
13:21:25 <Joshue108> If not I suggest we make this our main focus.
13:21:55 <Joshue108> We should also talk about our deceptive patterns work with Todd as a part of APA presentation
13:22:37 <Joshue108> ACTION: Jake to create and share a sample of the persona for our presenation
13:22:58 <Joshue108> JA: What about our personas - and expanding it out.
13:24:35 <Joshue108> JOC: To be clear the second part it to update this
13:24:37 <Joshue108> http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#collected-user-needs
13:25:20 <Joshue108> We are looking at describing the user needs hear with more detailed paras
13:25:50 <Joshue108> MC: We could need explanation of terms - what are controls, what is content?
13:26:30 <Joshue108> JOC: We will need to be clear about our definitions
13:26:57 <Joshue108> MC: Could be reword - etc several things could be collapsed
13:27:04 <Joshue108> Especially if they are defined terms
13:27:14 <Joshue108> JOC: Could work in the context of any emergent technology.
13:28:00 <Joshue108> MC: Its not a clear case - but we should work on removing that third level
13:28:18 <Joshue108> Does that make sense?
13:28:29 <Joshue108> I could work on that if we think its a good idea.
13:28:54 <Joshue108> JOC: My only concern would be for unknown knowns as such (emerging tech)
13:29:34 <Joshue108> MC: SOme things may not collapse - was what we doing really only a short hand?
13:29:36 <Joshue108> JA: Yeah
13:29:41 <Joshue108> MC: thats easy to place
13:29:57 <Joshue108> MC: I can do that as an edit - and we an go from there.
13:30:08 <Joshue108> JA: I can write some explanations
13:31:28 <Joshue108> ACTION: Michael to work on collapsing the abstraction - simplify
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