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17:59:19 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Coordination Call Teleconference
17:59:19 <trackbot> Date: 01 June 2022
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18:01:06 <GeorgeK> present+
18:01:39 <Judy> agenda?
18:01:46 <Judy> clear agenda
18:01:48 <Judy> agenda+ Scribe, agenda additions, present+
18:01:48 <Judy> agenda+ Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
18:01:48 <Judy> agenda+ Checking: New work under development? Cross-WAI review requests?
18:01:48 <Judy> agenda+ Recommended materials from TPAC sessions on working with COGA (note re-framing/generalizing topic)
18:01:49 <Judy> agenda+ FYI WCAG2ICT
18:01:49 <Judy> agenda+ Reminder can give periodic CEPC reminders
18:01:51 <Judy> agenda+ Updates & q&a on legal entity transition, as needed
18:07:35 <tzviya> present+
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18:10:52 <Judy> Meeting: WAI Coordination Call
18:10:57 <Judy> Chair: Judy
18:11:23 <Judy> present+ George, Rain, Tzviya, Ryladog, Judy
18:11:30 <Ryladog> Scribe: Katie Haritos-Shea
18:11:50 <Ryladog> Scribe: Ryladog
18:11:54 <Judy> zakim, drop agenda item 1
18:11:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drop agenda item 1', Judy
18:12:01 <Judy> zakim, drop item 1
18:12:01 <Zakim> agendum 1, Scribe, agenda additions, present+, dropped
18:12:08 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:12:08 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts -- taken up [from Judy]
18:12:23 <Ryladog> JB: Hi Janina
18:12:46 <Ryladog> JB: Have you seen Shawns response to agendum 2?
18:12:57 <Ryladog> JS: Back to back meeting since 9am
18:13:19 <Ryladog> JB: Are there any changes to Updates: publication plans, announcements
18:13:52 <Ryladog> JS: Awaiting CFC - we are going to do a few more edits
18:14:22 <Ryladog> JS: As a note onSynchronized a11yREquirements
18:14:48 <Ryladog> JS: It applies to so many groups
18:15:02 <Ryladog> JB: you think it is  crisp enough
18:15:16 <Ryladog> JS: We will add a few edits to heading etc
18:15:31 <Ryladog> JB: WAs Shawn able to help
18:15:36 <Ryladog> JS: Yes
18:16:03 <Ryladog> JB: I think she keeps a complete archive on findig all of the previous examples
18:16:33 <Ryladog> JS: We will need a good BLOG posting in additional to announcements
18:17:21 <Ryladog> JB: Tzviya, Do you have a collection of your blogs?
18:17:43 <Ryladog> JB: please put in a link or an email back to this list
18:18:12 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:18:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Checking: New work under development? Cross-WAI review requests? -- taken up [from Judy]
18:18:45 <tzviya> q+
18:18:48 <Ryladog> JB: Updates New work under development?
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18:19:04 <janina> present+
18:19:15 <Ryladog> tzviya: ePub went to CR. Did it make it to Shawn?
18:19:36 <Ryladog> JB: Shawn has been slammed with work
18:20:00 <Ryladog> JB: She might have missed something.
18:20:19 <Ryladog> tzviya: I have to check with WEndy
18:20:33 <Ryladog> GK: I know it is out
18:20:46 <Ryladog> JB: I see a thing from Wendy
18:20:59 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/blog/2022/05/epub-3-3-is-now-in-cr/
18:20:59 <Ryladog> JB: I am going to drop in...
18:21:36 <Ryladog> JB: I am checking the link in the previous agenda item
18:22:05 <Ryladog> Tzviya: I think Wendy adding something on ePub in what WAI is up to
18:22:19 <Ryladog> GK: Isee a webinar on TechForum
18:22:22 <janina> q+
18:22:28 <tzviya> ack me
18:22:31 <Judy> [JB: Thinks that the EPUB 3.3 needs follow-up through regular WAI messaging channels]
18:22:31 <Ryladog> Tzviya: Jusy I will follow up
18:22:59 <Ryladog> JB: Is there a way to get WEndy and Shawn connected?
18:23:12 <Judy> ack tz
18:23:13 <Ryladog> Tzviya: I thought they were already connected
18:23:27 <Judy> ack ja
18:23:54 <janina> https://www.w3.org/TR/reporting/
18:23:59 <Ryladog> JS: APA is poking into some corners, such as...
18:24:32 <Ryladog> JS: Web Performance WG. Look at what the user actually got, not just what they are sending? How robust is this?
18:24:48 <Ryladog> JS: Is that too heavy weight?
18:25:28 <Ryladog> JB: There is  a very large point is sustainability. Refresh burden, a cpst that some orgs have begun to quantify
18:26:03 <Ryladog> JB: In April w3C I lead some things on sustainability, TrustWorthy canadian
18:26:18 <Ryladog> JB: WE might get synergy there
18:26:34 <Ryladog> JB: Can we brainstorm on this?
18:27:02 <Ryladog> Performacne and Delivery aspect as RTF is working on that
18:27:15 <Ryladog> JS: We expect i18n by TPAC
18:27:39 <Ryladog> JB: What they have is looking at a screen, and has nothing to do with aural UIs
18:27:55 <Ryladog> JS: We have exceeded what SMIL can give us
18:28:05 <Ryladog> JB: Thanks
18:28:58 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:28:58 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Recommended materials from TPAC sessions on working with COGA (note re-framing/generalizing topic) -- taken up [from Judy]
18:29:23 <Ryladog> JB: at last call an agenda request from Rain for COGATF
18:29:41 <Ryladog> JB: It looked like it was one WG, it might be a big topic
18:30:16 <Ryladog> JB: Rain has kindly added some stuff that was pre-recorded. For todays- call, please tell us Rain about what this is
18:31:49 <Ryladog> Rain: n the emmail thread following this adgenda - there are two documents
18:32:01 <Ryladog> Rain: We have this working doc
18:32:02 <Rain> Working document for inclusive working groups: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RbjN7fLaucSzVfTqQdoCHoX3GFEoyHz2iiz3ap9Yd6k/edit#heading=h.gsausbyr9qj2
18:32:43 <Ryladog> Rain: COGA started in a messy google doc, and transformed it into, started as a clloab ofTF members
18:33:30 <Ryladog> Rain: we have alot of unique blockers to collab. A lot of the tools dont wrk with the members of our group. We need options
18:33:40 <Ryladog> Rain: What are the barriars?
18:34:27 <Rain> TPAC 2021 recording of How to work with COGA: https://watch.videodelivery.net/4212af346ecdba06922bb9442bd94996
18:34:37 <Rain> Slide deck: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2021Oct/att-0004/How_to_work_with_COGA_Presentation_TPAC2021.pdf
18:34:38 <Ryladog> Rain: The google doc translated into the other docs - which is what we did for TPAC - that turned into a recording 2021 -how to work with COGA. Slide deck
18:34:46 <Rain> Meeting minutes: https://www.w3.org/2021/10/21-cogainclusion-minutes.html
18:35:31 <Ryladog> Rain: What we dont have yet but we heard people want to be helpful for WAI is a cheat sheet
18:36:03 <Ryladog> Rain: We haven't produced that yet - I woul dneed a huge amount of time
18:36:49 <Ryladog> Rain:The other peice to the puzzle - the reason EO was included in the original request - these collabs are two ways
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18:37:49 <Ryladog> Rain: EO is trying to prioritize and manage - EO is trying to mitigate of what we are asking - COGA drosnt have the resources
18:38:18 <Ryladog> Rain: Even when we try our best is to have a clear process and understanding  how these interaction will work
18:38:28 <Ryladog> RAin: a list of challaneges
18:38:46 <Ryladog> Rain: I am worried EO is frustrated
18:38:57 <Ryladog> Rain: We recognize that
18:39:30 <Judy> q+
18:39:39 <Ryladog> Rain: WE want to make sure tht this is smooth - we are not handling it right. How can we better support EO and other groups?
18:40:04 <Ryladog> Rain: How can we support structures, in my month I hope to be able to set that foundation
18:40:25 <Ryladog> Rain: This is what is Hard for COGA. Ans how can it go both ways?
18:40:54 <Ryladog> JB: I am hearing a clear intent in in reciprocity. I think that great
18:41:19 <Ryladog> JB: Off the links is most of it is redundancies?
18:41:43 <Ryladog> JB: Any thoughts?
18:42:10 <Judy> ack ju
18:42:21 <Ryladog> RAin: Enjoys content through audio then the recordings is best - if you are going to do just one- the slides are closest to the cheat sheet.
18:42:46 <Ryladog> Rain: Recording is about 40 minutes
18:43:31 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
18:44:04 <jamesn> Judy: any questions right now?
18:44:19 <jamesn> Ryladog: good idea and understand the difficulties
18:44:35 <jamesn> GeorgeK: improving communications is essential
18:44:48 <jamesn> GeorgeK: are there technologies getting in the way?
18:45:21 <jamesn> Rain: at a high level - github itself is challenging - not from a technical standpoint. Putting in a comment or editing is fine
18:45:54 <jamesn> Rain: email comms in general - everything is deeply threaded and very hard to find contextual threads leading to cognitive overload
18:46:34 <jamesn> Rain: when notifications enabled some of us are too overwhelmed by email. Can't get to what are meant to be reaching
18:46:59 <janina> q+
18:47:05 <jamesn> GeorgeK: I think we all struggle with that. Present in my life too. Can symaphize with difficulty this presents
18:47:19 <tzviya> q+ to ask about offering best practices
18:47:30 <jamesn> janina: I like that emphasis on the struggle with threading. pretty common for many people with or withour disabilities
18:48:13 <jamesn> janina: kind of amazed that mail user agents haven't looked into this. reminds me of a user agent where it said don't have those deep deep quotes
18:48:21 <jamesn> janina: a python script
18:48:29 <Judy> ack ja
18:48:37 <Judy> agenda?
18:48:57 <jamesn> janina: some things that ADAPT could give us ways to build simplification
18:49:10 <jamesn> janina: want to make sure RQTF is looking at this too
18:49:31 <jamesn> janina: not just google docs and github which people find difficult for different reasons
18:50:03 <jamesn> tzviya: everyone agreeing that threading can be an issue. wondering whether documenting best practices would be useful.
18:50:17 <jamesn> tzviya: find replying at bottom is almost impossible
18:50:20 <jamesn> q+
18:50:24 <jamesn> ack tzviya
18:50:24 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask about offering best practices
18:50:34 <jamesn> q-
18:51:42 <jamesn> Judy: want to talk about repricocity - we have so many microcultures even in WAI - and every group and even TF has a different expectation
18:52:43 <GeorgeK> q+
18:53:07 <Judy> ack ge
18:53:38 <Rain> q+
18:54:08 <jamesn> GeorgeK: hear comments about threading etc. just because the software has the capability. Learning how to use things can be difficult. Folks helped me get going with github. Think there needs to be ways to provide help and training.
18:54:27 <jamesn> GeorgeK: github and email threading are 2 things that could be helpful for everybody
18:54:47 <jamesn> Judy: Tooling and interpersonal part are 2 buckets
18:55:12 <Judy> ack ra
18:55:38 <jamesn> Rain: Learning disabilities are a disability. I know how to use threading. Have 3000 unread emails.
18:56:09 <jamesn> Rain: I shut down and cannot function. Don't realize how huge this is as a struggle
18:56:20 <Ryladog> You are a highly competent individual
18:57:03 <jamesn> Rain: some folks written communications are not possible
18:57:51 <GeorgeK> Thank you for that.
18:58:12 <Rachael> q+
18:58:58 <Judy> agenda?
18:59:41 <Judy> ack ra
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