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18:56:40 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
18:56:49 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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19:11:06 <Matt_King> TOPIC: App dev update - version collection
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19:13:36 <Matt_King> Jon: how done is app?
19:13:43 <Matt_King> mk: lots more dev to do
19:13:51 <Matt_King> jon: some basic issues need work
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19:13:59 <Matt_King> mk: raise issues in aria-at-app repo
19:14:17 <Matt_King> rich: Expecting version collection in sandbox in May 31
19:14:31 <Matt_King> Also fixing errors on Safari
19:15:10 <Matt_King> Rich will notifiy CG members when ready for review in sandbox.
19:15:23 <Matt_King> Will ideally make announcement on June 2.
19:16:37 <Matt_King> Next week agenda will include high-level design discussion for AT dev user journies.
19:17:56 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Interpretation of NVDA link announcements
19:18:08 <Matt_King> James: about link test plan
19:18:16 <Matt_King> one test is for reading link.
19:18:53 <Matt_King> screen reader announces name, link role, name, ...
19:19:05 <Matt_King> NVDA also addes the word "linked" at the end.
19:19:28 <Matt_King> Called out as excess verbosity by one tester.
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19:22:12 <Matt_King> mk: any idea what rationale is?
19:22:30 <Matt_King> James: not sure, NVDA internally represents this as a state
19:26:20 <Matt_King> James: noting that links in UIA haverole of system text and state of linked
19:26:33 <Matt_King> mk: Matt tendancy to regard this as a bug
19:26:40 <Matt_King> Michael: +1
19:27:01 <Matt_King> matt: screen readers should have to justify excess verbosity.
19:27:37 <Matt_King> james: if bug, how should mark this as a bug
19:31:44 <Matt_King> How do we track the reason for checking the excess verbosity box?
19:34:25 <Matt_King> No link between test result and reported issue.
19:34:37 <Matt_King> Matt: we have a data collection problem.
19:35:13 <Matt_King> James: we could change the other edit box to be "explaination" and make available regardless of which reason is checked.
19:38:10 <Matt_King> Seth: reports page shows one view of results because thy all match. so how do we populate the one reason in report page?
19:38:37 <Matt_King> James: How do we dtermine in a report what to show if someone checks the "other box" and provides an explaination.
19:39:14 <Matt_King> Seth: how do we turn 3 reasons into one for the report?
19:48:26 <Matt_King> Matt: James can you taking on creating two issues: 1) changing label on unexpected behavior edit box to explanation  and making it available regardless of which unexpected behavior is checked 2) Giving admin way of synthesizing expalanations
19:48:31 <Matt_King> James: yes
19:55:41 <Matt_King> TOPIC: When should testers file issues for conflicts?
19:55:58 <Matt_King> James: Joe is proactively filing conflicts as issues.
19:56:13 <Matt_King> It is nto obvious when a tester is responsible for doing this?
19:56:29 <Matt_King> Seems like this workflow needs to be clarified.
19:56:42 <Matt_King> Perhaps the admin should file the conflcit issues.
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20:03:44 <Matt_King> Matt: Originally we imagined testers resolving some issues without an admin
20:04:21 <Matt_King> James: now that we have dedicated test admin support, it may work better if th test admin assumes responsibility for raising issues related to conflicts.
20:04:48 <Matt_King> Matt: No problem there, let's just not back that into the app UI; keep the app flexible.
20:05:03 <Matt_King> James: +1. Will handle via communication with testers.
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20:08:26 <Matt_King> s/not back that into/not bake that into/
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