IRC log of silver on 2022-05-13

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Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:31:56 [jeanne]
agenda+ Upcoming AG surveys - Chartering & WCAG2ICT
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agenda?
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
13:32:37 [jeanne]
agenda+ Upcoming AG surveys - Chartering & WCAG2ICT
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agenda+ Review next steps after this migration exercise
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agenda+ Continuation of guidelines breakdown
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agenda?
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Present+
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regrets+ Azlan, Todd, Wilco
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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chair: Shawn, Jeanne
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present+
14:03:13 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2022/05/13-silver-minutes.html jeanne
14:03:18 [Makoto]
present+
14:03:39 [Rachael]
present+
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present+
14:07:10 [jenniferS]
scribe: jenniferS
14:07:20 [jeanne]
zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1 -- Upcoming AG surveys - Chartering & WCAG2ICT -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:07:56 [jeanne]
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter-approach-reasons/ <- AG Survey on WCAG3 chartering
14:08:04 [kirkwood]
present+
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WCAG2ICT -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG2ICTV2/
14:09:45 [Rachael]
q+
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ack Rachael
14:11:02 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 2 -- Review next steps after this migration exercise -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:11:52 [jenniferS]
Next, we want to collect all the work that's been done in this new databased.
14:12:16 [jenniferS]
To help others understand why we're doing this and what will be done with the info…
14:12:26 [jenniferS]
Rachael created a document to clarify.
14:12:27 [jeanne]
Next Steps -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QhU6j435y1dltcw8GhlVnqhsOm_xJSMf5NP2x88MVDA/edit
14:12:34 [Rachael]
https://www.notion.so/nomensa/WCAG-3-categorisation-613ef7d7b6fb4c4788e1522fd9d8403c
14:12:41 [jenniferS]
This is the chairs work.
14:13:05 [jenniferS]
To begin with, there is a Notion table that we are collecting the different work into a single place so we can work on the content./
14:13:32 [jenniferS]
It is not a fully accessible tool, but we can export to accessible formats. My sincere apologies that we are using something that is not fully accessible.
14:14:11 [jenniferS]
The purpose is to ask the question: can we meet the requirements for WCAG3 - particularly expanding the scope to support more categories of disability that also meets the integrator reliability to meet the needs of a standard that is adopted worldwide?
14:14:29 [jenniferS]
As texts become more contextual, result in more inter-… 'missed this'
14:14:54 [jenniferS]
Instead of comparing results, we're at the most subjective point — we're testing information, i.e., they said they tested X.
14:15:16 [Rachael]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QhU6j435y1dltcw8GhlVnqhsOm_xJSMf5NP2x88MVDA/edit
14:16:32 [jenniferS]
This is exploratory work.
14:16:46 [jenniferS]
A lot of things are coming out of this work - i.e. functional needs categories.
14:16:54 [jenniferS]
We should see this as non-final work.
14:17:04 [jenniferS]
We'll go through the list and identify gaps.
14:17:21 [jenniferS]
We'll compare the objective tests with ACT, then the conditional level…
14:17:37 [jenniferS]
Then we'll reorganize the information to reduce overlaps.
14:17:47 [jenniferS]
Then we'll update the guideline level, and have a list of guidelines.
14:17:52 [jenniferS]
Then we'll revise the schedule…
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Then, update the methods.
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Then how we integrate into the silver process as a whole.
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Then hopefully we'll discuss the results and revising.
14:18:37 [jenniferS]
Trying to figure out the categorization of guidelines through a number of methods that will match up.
14:18:56 [jenniferS]
We're doing different exercises over time… in the hopes of getting to a categorization over time.
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q+
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present+
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q+
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q+
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ack sarahhorton_
14:24:00 [jenniferS]
similarly, I want to bookmark a ppl things. I think this is a good exercise.
14:24:22 [jenniferS]
there are things we bookmarked before, i.e., the initial plan to start from user needs & evolve from those.
14:24:30 [jenniferS]
that was really good as a content dev process
14:24:54 [jenniferS]
additionally, we were not migrating WCAG2 to 3, and this feels very "migraty"
14:25:14 [jenniferS]
naturally there are needs we will need to bring forward, there's also a focus on test-ability…
14:25:48 [jenniferS]
also, really want to focus on learn-ability, that people can get it right in the first place, so we don't forget on these things that are in the design documents.
14:25:53 [jenniferS]
just want to make sure they remain there.
14:26:27 [jenniferS]
Jeanne: to speak to that, we are the opposite of trying to focus on objective tests — we've added 3 more test categories,
14:26:36 [Lauriat]
qv?
14:26:44 [jenniferS]
more subjective categories; how what currently exists fits
14:27:23 [jenniferS]
a lot of what's happened is breaking down current sc so we can mix and match; more of a research than design exercise.
14:28:12 [jenniferS]
ack Rachael
14:28:42 [jenniferS]
Rachael: I was trying to capture that, we're taking many approaches to the question. the guidelines that come out of this are not intended to be "the end."
14:29:00 [jenniferS]
the existing silver process has been excellent, we're looking to extend and evolve
14:29:12 [jenniferS]
"we need to think of this as play" trying new things
14:29:44 [jenniferS]
I'm pushing hard to document the two different ways (in protocols) so that we can play and not lose ideas, so we can come back together.
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it will take time for our group to do that
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helping all realize that we can do this safely, heal history in the group
14:31:01 [jenniferS]
Jeanne: moving forward so we can get some work done
14:31:12 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
14:31:12 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- Continuation of guidelines breakdown -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:31:36 [jenniferS]
First, the ppl working on interruptions - are you finished or want another mtg?
14:31:47 [jenniferS]
Rachael & Janina: I think we're finished.
14:31:56 [jeanne]
spreadsheet of status of success criteria -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0
14:31:57 [jenniferS]
Jeanne: xclnt, here's a list of…
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what we're working on & what's done.
14:32:26 [jenniferS]
pick or propose one?
14:32:31 [jenniferS]
group 2 input purpose?
14:32:37 [jenniferS]
anyone from that group here?
14:32:46 [jenniferS]
or maybe it was identify purpose?
14:32:59 [jenniferS]
I looked at it, and noticed some items weren't complete.
14:33:05 [jenniferS]
anyone here that worked on that?
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anyone on this call that would like to work on it and finish it?
14:33:49 [jenniferS]
and then the 3rd group,
14:34:20 [jenniferS]
Makoto: I think it was abbreviation
14:34:24 [Makoto]
Abbreviations: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14CBwo74SrVkwinN5YWeKIjLqvr1K7cNX9CulXwbFIUM/edit
14:34:36 [jenniferS]
Jeanne: thank you, Makoto! And thank you for the ones that you did as a self-exercise!
14:34:53 [jenniferS]
Makoto: for abbreviations I made some suggestions, and I would like for you to check it out.
14:35:19 [jenniferS]
Sarah: could we work on one together since we're a small group?
14:35:30 [jenniferS]
Jeanne: Makoto, why don't you show us what you've done?
14:35:52 [jenniferS]
Makoto: I added two sub-groups: mechanism for XXXXX and one for meaning (I think?)
14:36:03 [jenniferS]
I'd like someone to take a look & see if it is good enough.
14:36:08 [jeanne]
Abbreviations -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14CBwo74SrVkwinN5YWeKIjLqvr1K7cNX9CulXwbFIUM/edit
14:37:03 [jeanne]
s/XXXXX/"just in time"
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[group reviews Makoto's work on Abbreviations]
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Sarah: What constitues a sub-guideline?
14:44:03 [Rachael]
q+
14:44:46 [Rachael]
Break a guideline apart when it is at a different level of thing, when it has a different grouping of user needs, when it at a different level of subjectivity
14:46:40 [Makoto]
s/sub-groups/sub guidelines
14:50:38 [jeanne]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tXIaJxQCyuOTkvLcJR5QgTN13h6dIgtUlE7H9CUCvew/edit#gid=0
14:51:07 [jeanne]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MGGgqgeL779aJu7iNuXQMHgJygV7l6GouM7--5ABJ5U/ -> template
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